Like Vol’jin?
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Yup!
That said, I’m less against it if the character gets to continue to do cool plot stuff as a ghost.
Lol, I want this dumb plot to end too but you honestly believe Sylvanas’s fanbase is a minority? A character who existed wince WC3 (the game that serves as the foundation for WoW)? A character that literally has purchasable collectible statue of her? In terms of pure marketing, Sylvanas is a key figure; Varian doesn’t bring in profits like Sylvie does.
Sylvanas, in terms of fanbase, is equal to the likes of Thrall, Arthas/Lich King, Illidan, and Jaina.
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Right now Sylvanas can’t be killed, at least not permanently. Her Val’kyr will revive her if she dies. However, if the last of her Val’kyr are sacrificed off to bring her back, that could lead to some very interesting story telling. Her last “Get out of Hell Free” card would be gone and she wouldn’t be able to create new Forsaken.
he probably means the people who still support her currently. most the alliance don’t like her. half the horde doesn’t like her. that leaves only one half the horde so a minority.
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“””Minority””””
If we’re going to be pedantic, I doubt any single character commands enthusiasm from more than half of players.
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I wouldn’t mind Sylvanas if she wasn’t a genocidal maniac who gets away with being one without suffering any kind of consequences. Like pre-Cata Sylvanas was cool, yeah she did sketchy evil stuff but it had a reason and was for the purpose of stopping Arthas. Since Cata she is just mustache twirling evil and never sees any punishment.
That’s what irritates me about Sylvanas. And the only reason it’s like this is because:
A) She’s a member of one of the factions.
B) She has a lot of fans and fanboys, Blizzard being the biggest fanboy.
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So what? She has a statue? Doesn’t really mean much or mean that she has some super fan base where if her story ended it would ruin the story for the majority of people who play WoW. Durotan has a collectible statue too and nowadays Horde fans barely anyone knows who Durotan is. Most people who play WoW nowadays haven’t even played Warcraft 3. The only story of Sylvanas they know about is the one WoW shows them.
Sylvanas is so popular that she’s just a mere forgettable card in Hearthstone and nothing more. Meanwhile Jaina is immortalized in Hearthstone as one of the playable hero classes.
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Wrong.
Sylvanas is a one of the iconics wc3 characters.
i put her at the same level as thrall, jaina,arthas and illidan.
She IS a top tier character wherever you like it or not.
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She was a 5 mana mind control with Deathrattle synergy making her an auto include in almost every control deck until she was rotated out with the only other card as broken as her at the time (Ragnaros), forgettable isn’t really the word to use.
I don’t take WoW all that seriously anymore, but I’ll throw down on some Hearthstone talk any day.
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And? Arthas, Illidan and Thrall are no longer involved in the story of WoW. People aren’t going to care if Sylvanas story ends as well. Just a small minority will take it extremely serious and believe that Sylvanas story ending is some slight against them. Why does Sylvanas deserve to have this never ending story?
Been awhile since I played Hearthstone.
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I’d be pretty cheerful if they put her away like they did Bolvar after Wrath or Thrall after MoP. She’s had way too much exposure, and it’s high time to give her story a rest.
I just don’t want to do something as permanent as kill her. I’m pretty skeptical of killing off high investment characters generally, whether it’s Vol’jinn, Rastakhan, Jaina, Varian, or whoever. Sometimes it can be worth it for the emotional effect and for whatever plot it might push…but there are only so many long-lived characters, and if you keep killing them, like Blizz has been doing, you start killing off the good will of long term players as well, while at the same time diminishing your narrative potential.
I’m particularly attached to Sylvanas, however, because she’s one of the only long-term VILLAINS with anything resembling a backstory who isn’t just A GOD OF EVIL. I think that’s a really precious asset that shouldn’t be squandered more than it already has. Let her live, and put her in stasis to someday see better writers.
If Sylvanas went the way of Thrall and was just on a backseat it would be fine. The issue isn’t just “lol people want sylvanas to never end” it’s the way that it ends that’s the issue.
She’s the last vanilla Horde leader, one of our last dwindling WC3 characters, and the character has cultivated a sizable bit of fans who enjoy having an evil protagonist who was still ultimately on the side of Azeroth instead of everyone being shining lawful good heroes all the time with darker parts that people might like and want to see more of being always relegated to just being raid bosses and villains we only see for one xpac.
Turning her into some super big antagonist for everyone to raid or to be killed off unceremoniously and in a humiliating way like you oh so desperately want to happen is a slight against many of the people who liked her, and won’t be of any help for the game in the long run as Blizz continues to kill off and remove old, loved characters while failing to write anyone worthy of replacing them (If anyone really thinks Nathanos could hold a candle to Sylvanas in terms of image, fanbase, etc then they need to get their brain checked), or just outright destroying what the character used to represent in order to push some inferior replacement on us like Calia.
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i mean what is her backstory tho?? it’s a basic story of revenge and they ruined it already in wrath cause she didn’t have as big a role as she should have… like she dies a hero " i sacrifice myself for my people!" then gets resurrected by arthas and is all like “we live in a society” and goes joker on us… especially in bfa lmao.
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There was plenty of fans of Arthas and Garrosh and they killed them. Why do Sylvanas fans deserve special treatment? There is nothing humiliating about Sylvanas story ending, lol. If you want to talk about humiliation in the story the Night Elves have it the worst. That’s who Blizzard has kicked around the most by destroying their entire starting zone and putting metaphors in through the raising of undead Night Elves in Darkshore. Ending Sylvanas story preferably her having to suffer consequences for her actions, not only fixes the Horde with this dumb story they wrote for her as the Warchief but it offers the much deserved closure for Night Elf players.
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Let’s also not forget the Gilneans. Many people overlook this fact, but Sylvanas has screwed over the Gilneans twice, and killed off most of their population as well. The majority of the remaining Gilneans lived in Teldrassil, so when it went up in flames they died along with the Night Elves.
Frankly, my dream ending for Sylvanas is a tag team fight of Tyrande and the Night Elves, along with Genn and the Gilneans where they just annihilate Sylvanas. Sadly we all know this will never happen because Blizzard hates Night Elves and Worgen… Therefore I am content with Azshara just doing away with Sylvanas like she was nothing.
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Alliance could just arrest her and we wont see her for a while until she shows up again.
That would never happen, it’s completely illogical after all she has done. Why would the Alliance do that? I realized as I wrote that question that it was a dumb one because I forgot this is Blizzard writing the story…
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Look, stories end. It does not matter how long her story has been running. Long history does not mean it can’t end.
And popularity is not how Blizzard determines who dies. Vol’jin was wildly popular, far more than Sylvanas. Varian was killed at what I would argue he peak of popularity. He was liked in general, but that did not save him. ect, etc.
Now, lets think about the whole ‘putting her on ice’ situation where she is not really gone, but no longer a main part of the story. There is really no way to make it work.
Your first problem is that she is a villain. Be honest here, she has crossed that line. So, if she was put to pasture, to bring her back would just be bringing her back as a villain. And I don’t think people want to retread that.
Your next problem is that she is not really the kind of character to walk away. Some character can believable walk away. Jaina for example could easily retire from the central story. She is home, ruling Kul’Tiras. The story can go on without her in the front. But, others are like Sylvanas in that it would be out of character for them. Sylvanas seeks power. And if you put her down short of imprisonment, she is not the kind that you can really believe is out of the central focus. It is not believable for her to ‘retire’ as it were. It is also not believable for the other leaders to let her. At this point, the only possible end that makes sense is her execution or some other death.
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Arthas was set up to be whacked down as a primary villain all the way back in WC:3, let alone raising everybody as a mind controlled undead squarely made him not a threat we could walk away from once he started being a problem.
Garrosh likewise, Blizzard admits they screwed him up badly, and his version of the Horde was incompatible with every Horde race, but Orcs. Slyvanas’ version of the Horde doesn’t actually exclude any of the members, its just a willingness to use the “All of the Above” approach to warfare.
As for the thread, I don’t see it. If anything Slyvanas working to recruit the Naga makes more sense with her actions.
Besides Azsahara wants the Night Elves to suffer for their rebellion and usurping her throne, so Slyvanas should be on her good side after War of Thorns, Teldrassil, and Darkshore.
Then there is also the though she might be undead Slyvanas is still a member of the Highborne club.
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