Alliance should boycott AV all together until team #nochanges changes their mind.
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No that’s all right, we’re quite fine with Horde queues being 4+ hours. The only problem is the AB/WSG queues are under an hour, but that’s rising so it’ll soon be fixed too.
Alliance wanted pvp on demand, and got it. Horde wanted to sit in queues crying all day, so they got it. Let’s not mess up this win-win situation by adding retail garbage.
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Wut, the current state of AV is due to half a dozen #changes Blizz added into the game at the behest of whiners. If #nochanges got our way we’d still be in original AV til Naxx, first of all, and even when we got current AV at the very end, it’'d be absent of all the changes, such as the things made to destroy premades.
‘B-but premades weren’t intended in Vanilla’- neither was 500 players camping groups of 5 in high level zones due to faction imbalance, neither was rampant boat camping- something they proved because due to Horde crying in Vanilla they buffed up Zep defenses heavily, neither was lotus and devilsaur cartels with collusion- something we know because collusion was the main reason you couldn’t have an Alliance and Horde on the same server on pvp realms.
There’s a considerable amount of stuff happening now that wasn’t in Vanilla, that wouldn’t have been intended, and likely would have seen changes back then if it were happening. I’m sure if in Vanilla instead of having 10 raid guilds per server there were 100+ they’d have done something about world buff timers and black lotus spawns, heck they ended up doing so for TBC on the anticipation that more people would raid due to the easy entry level of Karazhan.
But they aren’t making changes for anything… other than AV, because Horde cried for a month and spammed the forums.
If they make zero changes, fine- but this picking and choosing changes, all of which have been extremely damaging to the game, was what #nochangers were so afraid of in the first place.
You can’t have retail Blizz trying to make Vanilla better, they simply don’t have the skill to do so.
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No you didn’t sit in AV queue for 3.5 hours with no pop. You weaved BGs and kept pausing your AV queue for no pop.
Unless you consistently play only at around 3-6 AM every day, AV queues are never more than 2.5 hours at absolute maximum. Closer to an hour 30 during early morning->prime time.
If you really wanted AV (for whatever god forsaken reason), you could always just queue for AV and nothing else.
Don’t give the Horde Merc mode, they don’t deserve it.
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With these 4+ hour queues on horde, it is pretty much like alliance HAS boycotted AV. But please. Continue to boycott. It may be the only way to get blizz to fix a glaring issue that is making the game unjustifiable to play for some (alliance), and by extension, unplayable for others (horde)
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Every horde player on the forums tells us the queue is a good thing for them so I believe we should respect their wishes. I personally enjoy the instant queues, sometimes I just pop into AV for consumables and afk out. The queue times for both factions seem to be where each faction wants them, I don’t see a reason to alter them.
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Oh, you mean the spot that has 2 ally towers at it with archers pelting us on our way there and when we get there?
Allies also start the fight close enough to send a group to contest it with their stealth sqauds, yet they never try to. With the fight starting under ally towers allies can afford to send people away as they have extra dps from archers.
The initial clash location has the horde getting pelted by towers, giving allies a home field advantage.
Shgy also has multiple entry/exit points after you exit the alcove you spawn in
That distance let’s you fight on a home field advantage. Part of ally problem is their mages aren’t using their aoe power and their stealth are not forcing horde to backcap.
Allies are not using strategy, they keep throwing themselves at the horde wall until enough of them give up that we start winning…
There is pathing around ibgy to avoid that slope. On top of the fact that you can slowfall jump from places near the horde spawn spot from that GY to enter the other side.
Horde have a backdoor as well that let’s you skip 95% of our NPC defences. It’s not unique to allies base.
Your graveyard also has towers so close to it they directly contribute to defending it if done right. And horde overly commit to take your graveyard all the time. Unless allies sneak past and force a back cap we usually have 100% of our horde at your GY or stealthers sneaking past to try to force you to back cap.
The win ratios on other maps are different because of a multitude of reasons.
- It’s a lot harder to hide as AFK/leeching/bot with 10-15 people vs 40.
- There is no pve objectives to farm reputation in those maps to “distract” the players from the win conditions
- Most of the good players are already exalted with AV on alliance side and don’t bother to show up there any more.
- Allies that go into AV have a self defeating attitude that they turn into a self fulfilled prophecy because if the propaganda that horde have some sort of huge advantage in AV, which we don’t. Most of those choke points you complained about start with alliance controlling them. It’s not our fault they are not using then properly.
I’ve seen allies use the shgy choke point properly ONCE in classic. And after 20 minutes the 5 or so mages doing their job properly gave up because the stealthers of the alliance were not properly sneaking past to cap horde territory.
To many alliance stealth classes join the initial clash and keep going back to it, instead of fulfilling a stealth classes role in AV … Infiltration, assassination, and misdirection of horde resources.
If stealth classes coordinate to cap IBGY and FWGY at the same time and it takes 2 per node to cap.
1 to take aggro of the NPC. One to cap. And you just wait until the ress path has left.
You can do this with towers as well. Heck, ONE stealth class can take towers on his own with how horde towers are set up.
Alliance are not playing the map as a strategy war BG and they are trying to win without coordination, for the rare times they are even trying to win instead of maximizing rep…
What time are u qing?
U can’t q multiple bg and av, it will lengthen ur av q…
Right, i’m aware that time spent in other BG’s lengthens queue times for others. I would argue that a 2 hr 15 minute queue is almost no better than a 4+ hour queue… Obviously it’s better, yes, but the core problem, and the reason i made the post, remains: Alliance are not queue-ing for AV due to a variety of problems - seemingly with map imbalance being at the heart of it.
The militant horde who gone about alliance being softies are just paving the problem in a roman road. If we all want to enjoy an aspect of the game, we all have to agree that something has to be done to make that part of the game playable and enjoyable for both sides.
I believe any queue time is worth it just based on how angry alliance are over a mini-game.
I mean this thread is just great.
2 hours is what it is. There are just more horde atm.
I farm in between. Help a guilds out run an instance.
I think you’ll find that for some people, the enjoyment they obtain is specifically in denying any enjoyment to other people.
Hmm yes… apparently the alliance do quite well in the other BGs, I guess those random people that chose to play alliance are all coincidentally terrible at Alterac Valley.
What are the odds?
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This is the horde mentality in a nutshell right there. It is enjoyable to grief people as hard as you can get away with, and then cry you have queues as you proclaim your the bestest gamer ever because no one will play with you.
have fun in your queues.
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wait, don’t you mean camp a flightpoint?
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I don’t think anyone’s getting angry here, it seems like we’re all agreeing here AV is a silly BG.
No need to queue and no need to QQ about the queue. Both sides don’t really care.
Geographically impossible to get by archers from both bunkers. They are too far apart.
We send 8 south, horde send 20 back to defend.
If you are on the south side of SHGY, you are not getting “pelted” by alliance bowman. Do you even realize how far SHB is from SHGY?
Guess you haven’t been paying attention to the dozen mages on horde side spamming frost nova and blizzard. We can’t skip out the back to avoid it like horde at IBGY.
This isn’t unique to SHGY. IBT is just as close to IBGY as IWB is to SHGY. Horde can get through SH much easier than alliance can get through IB. Not sure how you can deny that. SH is completely exposed while IB is a single path in.
How do we properly use SH? It’s under assault as soon as the first clash takes place and losing it without another forward gy ends with alliance stuck behind IW choke. We have to push another forward GY and hold SHGY. It’s high risk for alliance, low risk for horde because not getting SHGY or SFGY does not set them back.
Playing alliance on this map requires a level of coordination that is rarely seen in pugs. We have to massively outplay horde to win and honestly, players are just tired of it.
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I kinda regret not getting my rep out of the way at the start when everyone was queing… I’ve done av maybe… four times? Shrug
Nowadays the que time makes me not want to work on rep, but it is what it is, my own fault for not doing it earlier.
I’m more tired of seeing both sides whine about AV though. It’s almost all I see coming to the forums… Ya’ll need more positivity in your life.
Hugs everyone
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How? Magic?
YOU simply saying “fix it” does not make it possible for anyone to “fix it”. Blizzard has no magic. Nobody does. Welcome to adulthood. Pretty awful, isn’t it?