Who said I am I’m unsubbed 8 months and this is all the content I’ve done it all and have 2 chars puts me to sleep every time i even log on there lack of content is what is killing it tbh and what they are doing #somechanges
Some would argue that all of low-level PvP was in an unhealthy state because of twinking.
Max-level PvP is in an unhealthy state because everybody who wanted badly to bring back old PvP went horde and everybody is trying to play the “honor per hour” game instead of PvP as we knew it back then.
We broke PvP. WoW Classic is fine.
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The ONLY reason you and most Horde players are against the discord premades is because of your self-inflicted queue times.
What also isn’t mentioned is that Horde have been using mass discords to coordinate within AV for quite some time. They spam a temporary invite and get people into coms so they can better coordinate their scorched earth meta.
The only difference between that and what Alliance was doing is lack of control over comp.
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The thing I don’t get is how the Horde supposedly has a powerful “meta” consisting of “zug zug the closest enemy GY”.
If that works, it means the Alliance is losing the battle for a GY they start closer to and should be able to easily have their raid formed up next to before the Horde get there.
If that is the case, doesn’t it pretty much mean the Alliance is getting roflstomped in head to head pvp?
Well I am saying they do allow them does it say anywhere that they don’t and even what they did to “fix” I say we take cross realm away and it’s all easily fixed by making horde vs horde and alli vs horde then the queues wouldn’t be a problem and horde would be doing pre mades as well they tried and well failed but hey blizzard only made you’re queues worse and making hour plus games which we’ll a lot of alli are quitting so have fun kiddo
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The only thing the cave position does it make it so the first clash is directly under an alliance tower and/or closer to an alliance GY.
Alliance aren’t losing because of the map.
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Yes, they have a premade discord. Its a joke. 100%. I was a part of it for a while and its rare that even 10 get in the same match. We cant queue jump to get more in and with 30-45 min queues (back then) it wasnt worth it to drop queue. Next the channels were typically silent with the exception of trolls. That was a joke and still is.
Next, these queues are self inflicted huh? That is pretty funny tbh. In phase 2 on my server it was nearly 50/50 on who controlled what and where with the exception of BRM that we pretty reliably held. Seems you are using conjecture based on your server. Reality is that a large chunk of alliance thought they were big boys and could handle a pvp server - and phase 2 made them realize they were not.
Fun times but yea - we never told players that they were good enough to play on a pvp server - they did that themselves and to quote J. Allen “they thought they did, but they didn’t”
The most you could blame us for is choosing horde. I personally took horde because its all i have played - so i wasnt FoTM on my choice for factions.
If you look at shgy it has 3 different attack points that they can avoid archers and go right for Balinda
Then let them change the map and prove that.
If changing the Horde starting position isn’t a factor, then they should still be able to win every time.
I don’t think that will work out the way you think it will.
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Yes… they are… SHB is in a completely useless position.
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Read patch notes or … idk… the sticky post on these forums that blizzard posted the changes they were making to it?
So based on this you think that all exploits that the game has that arent explicitly outlined are endorsed by blizzard? I think ban waves from back in Vanilla would argue this is flawed logic buddy.
Can you show me where it says explicitly that it was illegal to modify the client to cheese straight to C’Thun without killing any other bosses? An entire guild was lifetime banned for this - but, but theres nothing back then that said this was illegal. . .
This was one of many examples i can provide that proves you are full of it. They do not allow it. You guys cheesed the queue - and screwed so many pug groups doing it. Grats - you guys are the hordes MVP for doing more damage to your faction than we ever could.
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Alliance are losing because of this piss-poor attitude (e.g. 10+afkers a game, not even trying to fight, 0 attempts at organization)
I’d love for them to change the map, just to shut up alliance such as the ones in this thread who think the map is somehow responsible for the 99% horde pug win-rate.
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I think if blizz can just fix the horde ez back door and give back the alliance bridge choke games would be going alot better for the alliance. It would punish horde for playing strong D, and require more horde going on O.
this would atleast give some alliance hope to play AV.
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If Alliance tags IBGY does that mean Horde was getting roflstomped?
Yes but in most situations in BGs, the team on offense typically has the advantage against the team trying to hold a position, all else equal, because of how the side attacking can set up their offense in an optimal positioning (healers/range in back, melee in front), and unless the alliance is running a pretty optimal group (tons of mages/paladins), it’s going to be hard to just roll over the whole horde team quickly enough in a way that prevents the alliance from being bogged down and just stuck there as the horde is continually reinforced from IB GY.
It’s also hard to maintain discipline on pugs. How often do you see pugs wander off from contested flags/bunkers when they’re the only one there? Now imagine a large group at one flag, everybody thinks somebody else is watching it and goes off to chase some horde. Suddenly only a handful of people are left defending the spot.
Once alliance are shifted off the flag, it’s game over.
It’s not entirely about horde rolling alliance so much as it is the horde wants to pin the alliance at SH GY and systematically take that GY and force them north.
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read patch notes lol i think i know blizzard better than you do. they got upset we found a back door to there so called fix… the real ones that need to be banned are the horde and alliance dodging queues in wsg just so they can play against pugs. if thats what alliance were doing in av why does it still work in wsg and blizzard touches that boi are the horde gonna be crying like you are doing at this current time by saying we are cheesing things… id like the horde to have the same base layout as drek ive watched how the horde can be in the same room with van and avoid complete agro without even agroing any marshalls need to get youre facts straight and play AV on the alliance side now if that isnt cheese well i say ban em all i guarentee 99 pct of there player base is banned even you… need a reality check and look at it from alliance side instead of horde bias… id love to flip the map easy wins
horde capping SHGY is a thing now because:
1)they can run straight to Aid Station from SHGY.
2)they dont have to fear alliance rezing in base because alliance have no effective defense
Yeah ok troll…
dont forget the choke point they have a huge opening to get by as we have an unavoidable one
We should come together around this small fix to an obvious exploit (that terrain is VERY clearly not meant to be climbable). It would be a tiny change that could have a very strong impact.
I mean I would think even Horde could get on board with this.