Keep telling that to yourself I guess.
15 years ago the game was played very differently and everyone zerged on this version of the map to farm honor for PVP gear before TBC launched.
I could honestly care less. Iâm just telling you exactly what happened.
Iâm sure you can ask around but there were huge lobbies in 24/7 and shut up and queue at the time. Yes the honor per hour dipped with this method but it was still viable until hotfixed.
You cannot provide me with proof that it was changed other than âtrust meâ and âI donât care if it sounds tin-foil hat, I know its true?â
That really isnât very compelling to me.
If it was not listed on any patch notes Iâm not sure how else you want me to prove it? Just ask around find some of the hardcore alliance âAVâ rankers. Anyone farming out over a million honor a week through AV knew of every single change and what people were doing to work around them. Up until blizzard completely killed it.
I have all ready said that my Alliance friends told me that it was super-jank and not worth the time, that it was simply better to just go to WSG.
But if youâre willing to believe in super-secret undocumented changes on no evidence, then I am afraid that no amount of evidence could ever possibly change your mind on the subject.
And in vanilla, where ally had a higher winrate during the entirety of AV.
Guess ally players were just really really good at the game back in the day.
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I actually donât think people would have played it. The entire goal is HPH / Rep Grinding. The âI just want to kick your face inâ aspect of PVP isnât there.
How did you measure this? When I played vanilla, every server was different and had its own Qâs and teams.
Not to mention the version I played in was completely different than thisâŚ
What do you mean if Iâm willing to believe lol? Even if it was as âsuper-jankâ as youâre claiming I can assure you Alliance would still be doing it and they would be doing it again this weekend if it wasnât patched out.
As I said you can believe it never happened all you want and thatâs fine but if you spent the time to ask other people then your 1-2 friends youâd know this happened. Iâm sure you can probably sign up for 24/7 discord if itâs still around and read the post history when this workaround was found and when it was hotfixed.
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There is no reason to believe a âsecondâ change ever happened. Its all tin-foil hat nonsense.
So without doing any research on the subject on your own and while also never playing as Alliance you can confirm it never happened and shrug it off as tinfoil? Blizzard has done many undocumented changes to WoW through itâs life and this wonât be the last time either.
As I said. Find just 1 Alliance AV ranker who was hardcore about the grind and theyâll confirm everything I just said about the second hotfix.
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Ppl valuing HPH over anything else would not, but many who want fun would. I would play it after Iâm done ranking to 12 (1 more week to go).
For the third time, I have all ready had talks with Alliance, and they said it just wasnât worth the time to do the super janky âqueue for a game you hope is at least 5 minutes outâ thing.
But if youâre willing to believe in deep-state secret changes, then there is nothing that could possibly change your mind. Feel free to believe what ever makes you feel betterâŚI just prefer to believe in the truth.
Get a group of 200 alliance together and have them try to queue into a single game. It wonât work anymore. Up until this additional hotfix happened both the â24/7â and âShut up and queueâ discord were thriving. 24/7 had over a 1000 alliance in it. The bot in the discord would show game #'s in progress and tell you when to queue for the game. Youâd then join a second lobby while in Queue, once your game popped and you joined your match you could see the AV # still while in game and youâd join the appropriately #'d AV channel.
To say this didnât exist while Iâm able to explain to you exactly how it was done and why it stopped is laughable.
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Believe what you want. But there is no more use in trying to have a conversation with someone who truly believes that sort of thing. Just keep the tribalism down.
It really wasnât depending on what your goals were. AV premades still had rep farmers and people with other reasons wanting to play AV.
They didnât document the first change past âav numbers removedâ but there was a change with that to how queues work. The second change was not documented at all, but it did happen.
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Moving the cave back did not fix the problem.
Do you have a reason for me to believe that other than âtrust me?â
No sorry, itâs been so long even if I could think of some sort of concrete proof it would be pretty hard for me to dig it up.
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When was this done? Oh yea. TBC. Itâs coming. Be patient. Both sides will zerg in TBC and your win rate will rise because allies have the advantage in the bs avoid pvp to race to a pve boss games.
What problem was that? This change happened after the conditions for winning changed. Has nothing to do with allies lack of effort and teamwork in current classic. Alliance won back then with this same map and these same win conditions. Whatâs changed? Allianceâs heart to fight is whatâs changed.
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