Maybe it is a problem. I am open to the idea that the map…is indeed bad. But you cannot really get a fair judgment of that if people are giving up and quitting and not trying.
The whole map is a mess, here are some ideas for you Blizz.
- Enforce a timer for horde to leave cave.
- Remove AV.
- Release AB now.
I agree, that the original AV map where everything is currently placed does not work. When they moved the cave when the next version came out (reinforcements), it still ended up pretty much the same. As far as my win rate goes I am sitting around 50-70% win rate depending on time of day and how often I queue for AV now that I am forcing myself to play WsG to get the reputation. When AB goes out I will lose my way to max reputation for that because they refuse to force premade to face premade and pug vs pugs.
Alliance spawn at Stormpike when defending Stormpike.
The only time you get a cave rez is if you are south of the DB bridge when SPGY is taken.
Our spawn locations force turtle after SHGY is taken…
Its proof that I played Alliance in Vanilla. Believe me or call me a liar when i tell you my experiences. Because without posting that screenshot, I would have been called a liar when I said i was Alliance.
Is turtling a bad thing?
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I’m gonna play out this convo so we don’t need to have to dance endlessly. please refer back to this if you get lost along the way ever…
me: the mechanic and position of the horde cave is a huge problem.
you: i agree but why dont you try?
me: blizzard is never going to change that because that’s how it was back then.
you: but you could still try?
me: i dont feel like being handicapped against that cave, i’ve got better things to do with my time then play this game.
you: then how can you blame the cave?
me: scroll up.
Are we done now?
No shocker if somebody played Alliance back in the day it’s not exactly uncommon for people to play both.
The reality is though if you had horde vs horde on AV the horde players starting at alliance side would be losing just as well because of how the map is.
AB is going to help WSG some, less premades and hurt AV even more. Get ready for longer queues in AV hordies.
AB will be the new BG we all complain about due to premades.
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Do you agree that you cannot get a good handle on map balance if a side isn’t trying?
Scroll up.
Yup, we’re going to just talk passed each other then. Because you admit you’re not trying and then blame the map instead of not trying.
Hrm…how can I get this to sink in?
I’ve played out an alliance victory. it was exhausting and didn’t reward enough for the effort and time.
I’ve played out a horde victory and it was less exhausting and the reward felt fine based on the time and effort.
fix that.
I can agree on that… but its because of the uphill battle and the advantage that the cave gives you guys. People’s spirit are broken as soon as SHGY is taken.
Why don’t you get a pally buddy to bubble and pull drek for ya… you allies are such hypocrites. Can’t win on a level playing field so you cry on the forums. Blame your team.
the players will play a bg how they want to.
I’ve noticed that all the matches that I have lost have been in the hour range and Alliance have some 400+ HKs and burn most of the map. When the Alliance death ball to SFGY, then IBGY doesn’t matter if they lose SHGY, the cave doesn’t help the Horde. The Horde trickle in and never death ball into the Alliance. Then the offense stalls and Alliance regain SHGY.
Why dont you get a hunter to pull the adds?
You’re the literal first person to even entertain the idea, thank you for that.
I can understand why their spirits are broken, because it means a really long game in inevitable and for many…that simply isn’t worth the time. So unless the Alliance are having a perfect game, they are more willing to give up and lose quickly instead of drag out the fight.
Just that its a loss, because your team will inevitably exploit and backdoor DB.
We could hold you all day but it’s hard when you end up taking it from both ends, jaws and butts get worn too thin.
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