AV is officially dead

It is known.

Taking any northern grave yard ends up with the same issue, alliance soft cap IBGY while that is happening then any horde north can slowly be picked off and are now stuck south.

1.7 had fixes while retaining the strength and numbers of the NPCs and mobs, and retaining all of the content/quests/etc. 1.7 was the high point of the BG.

There were literally horde threads in the beginning about them having botters, too. lol

Not quite true because SHGY is a significantly better bottle neck to trap alliance north than IBGY is at keeping horde south.

Oceanic (we have like 4? realms in our ‘battlegroup’), sorry battlegroup is probably old vanilla terminology, but because Oceanic only has a handful of realms to PvP with, I call it a battlegroup.

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It’s an active now, and would probably be better in vanilla as a passive honestly. Perception is a strong stealth effect, but it’s short on a relatively long cooldown, making it mostly useful to people who happen to be psychics in real life. The active component is much stronger in TBC Arenas (where you pretty much always use it at the start) than in vanilla pvp.


Back when I attempted AV on an alt, there were no more than 2-4 afkers most games.

We lost every game.

My sub expires in 7 hours. I cancelled due to just being plain fed up with AV. I tried to give it a shot but the 1.12 version is just a complete joke.

could you expand a bit on what you mean by this? I don’t catch your meaning about Ion’s “clarity” as well as what work and what game


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If I have to explain Korraks Revenge to you, I would rather not right now. About to go camping…

In a nutshell:

  • classic players begged for early AV
  • blizzard handwaved the players and chose 1.12 because it gave them “clarity”, and some players white knighted, claiming early AV would be too hard to recreate, because blizzard’s dog ate the code
  • AV 1.12, as predicted ended up being a steaming pile
  • Blizzard subsequently creates Korrak’s revenge, seemingly from scratch, uses it for the 15th anniversary in retail modern WoW, for a limited time
  • Classic WoW, the museum piece of vanilla WoW, still does not get to play the 15th anniversary version of AV

edit: to this day, korraks revenge sits gathering dust on a floppy disk somewhere, likely used as a mountain dew coaster.


No, that’s fine, I got the gist of it…also, conveniently for me, “korrak’s revenge” is a fairly unique phrase, so it lends itself well to a google search.

Thank you.

What is worth mentioning though is that korrak’s revenge does not fix any of the problems with AV that people are complaining about. It was both zerged and it’s just as possible for horde to play scorched earth on it.

That’s crazy talk! Why should someone play for objectives? The internet metas say that’s dumb. :stuck_out_tongue:

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90% of Ally players I would say are not playing objectives on AV. while 60% of Horde are playing Objectives, So 60% of horde are recapturing their objectives over the Ally 10%.

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At this point, a better incentive is needed to entice. Reward and punishment both are how MMOs tend to work.

The cave issue is THE issue, I think. Caves give 20 rezzers at a time where a GY gives 10. The simple fix is to not allow cave rezzes until every graveyard is taken, but that opens up more problems, probably.

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What are you suggesting? Affirmative action for players who demonstrably do not wish to put any effort in that would cause their HPH to go down?

Thank you for selectively quoting me, and not understanding how even the most basic tenets of behaviorist theory (supported by a century of research) works.

Go read up on positive reinforcement, negative reinforcement, and punishment. We have to deprogram Learned Helplessness.

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I do not see actual specific suggestions in there, beyond the suggestion to go read up on things.

How can you be angry when the music is so compelling! I watched all four videos, not because I needed proof (it should be obvious to anybody by now), but for the awesome music :smiley:

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