AV is now going to die within the next few days

You know, signing your posts with this garbage is really not helping to make folks take you seriously.

How does trolling everyone about AV and constantly bringing up the same lies that have been constantly proven to be lies work for you on letting people take you seriously?

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I see you’re still dissembling. Troll on!

Literally dead? No.

Horde with 2.5-3+ hour queues? Yes.

That’s pretty dead to me.

Oh boy! Let’s soft-cap FWGY so Horde reinforce it 20 at a time from the cave nearby while Alliance reinforce it 10 at a time from SHGY!

A winner is you.

Something Horde isn’t prevented from doing, and requires a group of specific classes doing… what exactly? Soft-capping a bunch of graveyards that don’t actually disrupt the 20 man cave-rez?

You and Redhead are the only two people on these forums defending the map, and I’m not even convinced you’re different people.

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Havent been lying and haven’t been trolling. Perhaps this is a defense mechanism of yours to view everyone that doesn’t agree with you as liars and trolls? :man_shrugging:

The funny thing is, that your boy Zyrius was virtually the only one who wanted this garbage version of AV. I am on record supporting changing the cave respawn susyem, swapping sides, beginning game in the bases, etc. But hey, keep pretending I am “defending the map”.

HA HA HA

oh wait, you’re serious…

get some help you need to learn what is real and what is false.

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You’ve been doing both.

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Nope. You just don’t like what is being written. :man_shrugging:

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Liking or not liking what you have to say is irrelevant. If it’s a lie or a troll then it’s a lie or a troll.

Arguing with you is like arguing with someone that thinks Covid is a hoax. You can site data, trot our evidence, and they repeat the same hokum over and over.

It’s pointless.

Nothing that you have “trotted out” excuses the dramatic shift of alliance winning a higher % of AVs than horde during it’s lifetime, to the 99% loss rate in classic. Many reasons have been given for why this is, you simply do not like those reasons and find it much easier to blame the map, or racials. That is to say, repeating the same old “hokum” about the map and or racials.

Zerg always favored alliance because the horde towers are garbage and the horde base isn’t stacked with NPC’s by the flag like the alliance base is.

You’ve done both, repeatedly, and when called on a specific fact, you just ignore and slide to a different idea or strawman what was actually said.

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This basically depends on horde allowing them to do this. “The enemy gets a vote.” Taking FWGY isn’t any easier than taking IBGY because it takes alliance reinforcements even longer to get there, past another tower, than it does to get to get to IBGY.

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I still don’t understand why people reply to people who are obviously just doing something for attention. When someone denies objective fact/math they fall into this category for me.

Just ignore them and move on so actual worthwhile discussions can happen.

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Sure we have. During this phase in Vanilla, both teams zergged. After Vanilla the cave was moved.

This has been pointed out over and over. You don’t remember?

h ttps://www.parkinsons.va.gov/resources/MOCA-Test-English.pdf

“Facts”

fixed that for you…

Call me a liar and a troll while you repeatably pretend that the cave move during TBC had nothing to do with the change to the win condition and reinforcements.

I already preached this, they don’t listen.

We used to premade in Vanilla,TBC and WOTLK.

They even had an add-on that qued us all up and displayed who got into the same AV and who didn’t.

This was ALL IN VANILLA.

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And like we have told you…

Reinforcements essentially changes nothing…

The turtle at IBGY was basically unbeatable both before reinforcements and while reinforcements were in the game.

Reinforcements just meant that sitting at IBGY DIRECTLY wins you the game.

however if you defend IBGY throughout the game alliance can never get south of there, so if alliance can never get south of IBGY they can NEVER win, if you are playing against a team that can never win you have Indirectly won the game because eventually you will win if you keep trying, especially since it only takes 1 big team fight win or stealth flag cap at SHGY to give you complete control of the map south of SHGY due to that being an incredibly strong choke for people attempting to get south, but oddly it has 2 huge ways in for people trying to go north one of which bypasses the GY completely. So no reinforcements were not the reason for the change.

And since this has been explained to you multiple times… you just lied about it.

So

you just proved you have been lying and couldnt even go a full hour without lying.

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