I’m assuming something was lost in translation.
I was simply stating if Horde have a 99.9% win rate in AV because they are superior strategists and such a great pvp force. Then why do they not have a 99.9% win rate in AB/WSG?
There is an obvious reason for that and if you can’t figure it out or at least come to terms with the fact that something is horribly wrong with the AV map you’re a lost cause.
Not everyone has played just Alliance or just Horde. I’ve been playing warcraft for 15 years and I’ve probably played the same amount of time as both factions.
I guess youre right then and they need to balance just in a way where it wasnt the other way around where it was 99% alliance winning. a large problem also is a lot of alliance players (especially streamers) quit and took their fanbase with them causing huge faction inbalance on certain servers. faerlina is the prime example of this.
The major difference between AV and WSG/AB is simple.
There is pve based quests to distract alliance in AV. It is possible to farm pve content in AV for experience, reputation, and even honor.
The other BGs don’t have that. And seeing as a majority of alliance players are pve focused, giving them this “distraction” in AV causes then to go after those distractions instead of the actual win conditions.
This combined with the fact the better PvP alliance don’t go to AV due to honor/hr grind not being as effective as premade groups with the other BGs means the quality of players on alliance in AV as a majority is very poor in terms of their ability to play the map for PvP, because they are to focused on the pve aspects.
I find it crazy how Ally always dominated on pservers, yet get crushed on retail classic
I guess the playerbase is a lot different.
FOr years we were hearing about how the AV map favored Ally, the “bridge of death”, capping Horde towers with all Archers alive, hopping over the fence in Horde base etc. There were no end to Horde tears, really
Not sure why he even thinks that’s relevant considering horde are obviously doing the “pve based” quests since they always summon Lok and war riders. Both require “pve quests” to summon. But I’ve realized he’s never going to accept anything less than alliance bad, horde good, in regard to AV.
Alliance constantly have people trigger the event at bad times because they wanted their rep from the turn in. Also before the alliance would hold the druids so it never went off. Now they summon it with no plan or timing because alliance are being greedy for personal rep vs using the event for a push because holding the druids exploit for fixed.
This is just “Horde are better” nonsense. Horde only have to keep throwing themselves at SHGY until they softcap it, then the game is theirs unless they’re woefully undergeared and drooling on themselves.
Because there’s no golden opportunity to use it when you’re fighting over a softcapped GY that’s getting reinforced by twice as many people, twice as fast. So you spam up your reputation until cap to get the most out of it since actual victory isn’t a viable option.
Finally, none of this jives with your original point about Ally getting distracted by PvE objectives. Based on this, Ally aren’t distracted, they’re simply using the PvE options worse than Horde, aka Horde are simply better players with far more natural coordination and skill… which is hilarious and stupid and you should feel bad for even suggesting it.
i get what you’re saying. Alliance is bad, horde is great in AV. What do you propose to fix the situation other than alliance magically getting gud?
I think we’re well past the point of Alliance or Horde changing their strategies without some intervention from Blizzard. Something that gives Alliance hope or just throwing up their hands and putting in merc mode.
The constant back and forth about how the Alliance are bad or how the Horde whined to get premades banned adds nothing constructive to the discussion.
It’s not about horde being better in AV it’s about alliance caring about reputation more than winning so they will do turn ins that start the event purely so they get the rep so they don’t risk someone else doing the final turn in and getting the rep. It’s not even an issue of player skill for this, it’s player priority. And alliance players inside of AV would rather get some extra rep for themselves instead of prioritizing a possible win and risk someone else getting that reputation. And causing them to not get to do the turn in for rep.
Why do you think alliance were having a player hold druids before it got fixed? It turned it into a 39 vs 40 match from the start because alliance are chosing reputation over even attempting to win. With the holding of druids exploit fixed it’s compounded the problem of alliance triggering events at bad times because now they can’t even delay the event any more as the exploit got fixed.
I wouldn’t be against a random start of the map, so horde could start in the north and alliance in the south at random, switches every week, something. But the issue with AV isn’t the map it’s alliance motivation when playing the map, or lack there of.
The change you posted above would help with Alliance motivation. I don’t play AV any more because Alliance are just a bunch of beaten dogs due to the current meta. I think some of it is the map, just the thought that we’re starting behind is incredibly demoralizing and its a downward spiral from there.