AV is now going to die within the next few days

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This. Every single argument and strategy falls to pieces the moment you get to the step where Alliance has to take IBGY. You can hold the bridge until the heat death of the universe and never have a chance of winning the game because of IBGY. Everyone knows it’s an absolute waste of time to even try which is why you see all the toxic Ally behavior in AV. There’s no point in legitimately playing the map when you’re at that much of a disadvantage.

No amount of optimism and positivity changes the fact that you’re outnumbered 2:1 or worse at IBGY.

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Except for, you know, the one where we’ve repeatedly told you that taking and holding IB is pointless.

You and Drinknblink are the type of players that drag down the rest of your faction.

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Except that bypassing IBGY has all the same problems as taking IBGY, except they’re worse.

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The best Alliance strategy is to turtle SHGY until we can summon Ivus and then push all the way to FWGY and cap it. But there are two major problems with this strat:

  1. The Horde strat is MUCH easier to pull off: assault SHGY (don’t even have to cap it) and the game is over.
  2. Ivus can be kited to the end of the earth and made utterly useless. And without Ivus you can’t push through IBGY even if you were trying to skip it.

All a Horde PUG has to do to win the game is assault SHGY and the map does the rest for them. An Alliance PUG has to overpower Horde for ~20 minutes (automatically requiring a significantly better Alliance team), escort the Druids to FoS (again requires a superior Alliance team to push Horde back to FoS), then avoid losing the game before Ivus actually starts fighting. And THEN hope he doesn’t just get kited off the map.

The Alliance have to be so superior to the Horde in order to win that it’s statistically improbable that two teams of 40 players would be that unevenly matched.

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Its not 50/50 win rate at the start alliace were on these forums gloating over the amount of wins they were getting and saying sweet revenge for phase 2.

Horde are dumb they waste time fighting the npcs outside vanns bunker rather than pulling the Marshall’s. This is why the alliance won 7 min games at the start of av and as soon as the horxe changed a strat with defense immediately called the map imbalanced.

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This, the horde changed their strategy and adapted to win.

Alliance finally met real resistance and just rolled over.

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No they didnt.

This is the dumbest argument i have ever seen.

All they did was stop rushing. Thats literally it, they didint make up some genius strat, all they do is ATTACK THEIR FIRST OBJECTIVE.

The only difference is the alliance cave isnt by SHGY and the horde cave just happens to be by the Alliance first objective.

Look at the games that took horde over an hour to cap SHGY, imagine if our cave was 20 seconds away, the games would never end. It would be the same as IBGY. Horde wouldnt cap it for long. It takes them over an hour on average to cap it now, let alone give alliance the same cave rez advantage.

To think the horde had this huge meeting and break down of AV to come up with this strat is nonsense, all you do is go to your literal first objective.

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I really hope they move the cave back by the war rider stable because instead of spawning in the cave when fighting we will spawn at fwgy which is just a little further away from ibgy then the current cave position.

I never found any difference in games when the cave was moved we just started defending at the ibgy.

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Based on what exactly? Really, that is the “best” you can come up with, despite historical evidence of alliance winning a higher % of AV during vanilla than horde while NOT doing that “best strategy”?

The horde go there because:

  • Alliance rarely continue south from it
  • It is on the way north to the alliance base
  • Alliance consistently stop there

:roll_eyes:

An alliance pug should NEVER be losing the battle at SH, first and foremost.

Seriously? It takes a “superior” alliance team to push horde back to FOS? As I mention above, alliance should never be losing the battle at SH. If you are, then it is solidly a player problem.

Sorry, but that quite frankly is a load of crap. Alliance do not need to be superior. They merely need to want to put the time in for a win, and have the majority of their players actually at their keyboards.

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Also have a question why did alliance abandon taking sfgy?

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It’s funny to see this while alliance are all to willing to scream “sCoRcHeD eArTh!”, as if the horde had this huge meeting and break down of AV to come up with that strat.

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Because it doesn’t help.

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What does sfgy do?

Its not much of a difference than SHGY, it doesnt really give us a better position.

What most horde fail to realize is horde DO NO NEED TO DEFEND ANYTHING.

Think of how horde win vs alliance win, and call the BG equal?

Imagine if when horde lose IBGY they lose the game. Would horde now defend IBGY? Would they split defense and offense?

Now think of that for Alliance, what happens when Alliance lose SHGY? They basically lose the game, because they now spawn so far up north and now have to run through SH bunker choke point.

So the general strat for Alliance is to ALWAYS play defense and offense, which in theory sounds easy, but its not for 1 simple reason, we are playing VS a team that DOESNT NEED TO DEFEND, so we are trying to split defense and offense VS team who can just be on Offense. Which creates this meta of we either ALL defend or ALL attack.

Watch a game where Alliance ALL ON OFFENSE, we trade shgy for IBGY, then what happens? Hordes cave rez kicks in to save IBGY everytime. You soft cap shgy, we soft cap ibgy, you just send a smaller number south, 15 or so. They just zug zug into ibgy till we lose enough people to where we cant defend.

Remember while we defend IBGY after SHGY is soft cap, we literally have NO REZ SPOT. So any alliance who die now go to SPGY which is 3 minutes away, but the horde who die at IBGY just go literally 20 seconds away at their cave graveyard which also rez’s 20 at a time. So those 15 horde that came to defend it, just slowly pick at the Alliance for 5 minutes, and eventually we lose it.

Like i said above horde do not need to defend anything.

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I dont agree with this as a strat.

Heck alliance lose every bg and we do it to, while we defend SHGY, when a horde sneaks by to cap somehting north a team breaks off to recap it, isnt that scorched earth?

Its just defending what was taken.

Lets be truly honest here the only reason horde even get to do what they do is they have their cave rez in the most ideal position. Without it this idea of scorched earth would never exist. If cave wasnt there we would hold IBGY, then push to FWGY, then to RH. They only get to back cap because their cave rez is there.

If we took IBGY and they die at IBGY they would rez 30 seconds away at FWGY only 10 at a time. They would never retake IBGY.

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Guess the rep farmers weren’t responsible for the 99% loss rate after all.

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I don’t think some people understand the significance of horde’s early lead. It’s why alliance have to both hold and take a gy at the same time while horde only have to take one and it’s why horde reach the first alliance gy at sh within seconds of alliance reaching the neutral gy at sf.

The cave res is a problem, but if that’s the only change made, it doesn’t address the early lead problems.

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Lets see…ideal positioning…overpowered racials…but you get to play BIG SCARY MONSTERS therefore you have to win all the time.

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Rawr

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The map is fine… The alliance can’t win, because you don’t try. Half of you are afk the whole game. Now you are going to quit, because they’re fixing your exploit? piss off.

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This has been said a lot, and then refuted ad nauesum. The reason the Alliance don’t try is because they don’t need AV for the honour, and the best way to get rep is to farm it - and then never enter again. And that’s only if you want the pieces.

The reason they don’t care about AV is because they start off at a major disadvantage.

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