Please just vacate the forums forever you’re embarrassing yourself.
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Yeah it does, and here’s the issue I have with you idiots constantly bringing it up. YOU FOLKS ALMOST NEVER GET TO SEE IT.
So how is it a issue you constantly focus on, when the vast majority of the time, it doesn’t even relate to YOU LOSING THE BG.
Your argument is that we don’t push south??
Like are you really this blind??
We have to hold it for 5 MINUTES before it turns blue, and your strat is what?? Leave it and run south to FWGY and cap that??
Why don’t u understand we DONT HAVE A REZ POINT YET, IF YOU KILL ANY ALLIANCE THEY ARE NOW SENT TO SPGY. Meanwhile the horde we kill at IBGY OR FWGY GET SENT TO THE CAVE REZ…Jesus people can’t be this stupid. This can’t be real life.
Can’t do it again?? This is making me nauseous…you do know we have to wait for a graveyard right, unless you think it’s practical that we just keep rushing south and Everytime an alliance does just kiss them good bye as they won’t ever make a 3-5 minute run back down south…
Do you actually read what you wrote?? Or better yet do you believe what you right??
How could you write that and not see the GLARING ISSUES?
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- not an answer
- no it has not
- your opinion on AV is invalid till you give an answer
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How stupid do you think Alliance are? We lose if we don’t hold SHGY, and we get very little for our time if we don’t take steps to farm rep (if you still need it) or honor. Horde knows this, and that they can easily defend IBGY, so they send everything forward to crush SHGY right off the bat. The turtle is a reliable strat to make queuing up for the BG worth anything at all for Alliance. But you just keep going on about how 94% Horde win rate is because you’re the superior faction or whatever you need for your roleplaying fantasy.
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Ok. i’ll put it to you this way, short, simple and to the point.
Your trolling me to get me angry. Its working. I answered your question, you didn’t answer mine. Guess your too ignorant to even read.
I know full well all the mechanics of the battlegrounds, for every map. I also see why you have a issue with a cave that constantly respawns 20 horde, against your side, but that’s as far as you can see. Your team is killing those horde, which are in effect killing you. Your side created the problem, that the cave respawns 20, half the horde team. IN that cave, which in turn go to IBGY. That is, and only is, when there’s 20 to respawn. Idiot.
And instead of having help, from the people who just killed those horde, they stay up there turning in their precious crystals for rep, while your trying to what? Hold a graveyard without reinforcements, and despite the mechanics, you clearly have a issue with it. Its your team that is causing that problem by killing them in the first place, and not coming down to help you defend or push even further.
HOW BLIND CAN YOU BE?
Jesus Christ, are you really that dense, that stupid?
You have cause, you have effect, but like I pointed out earlier. You only state what’s relevant to you, and you can’t seem to think past… from point A, to point B, to point C. Your stuck on point A.
Now either answer my prior question, or shut up.
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Lmao of all the stupid answers this one takes the cake.
We cause the issue by KILLING THE HORDE AT IBGY, SO WE LET THEM REZ TO OUT NUMBER US LOLOLOL LOLOLOL LOLOLOL LOLOLOL.
I can’t even anymore, you truly are clueless.
To answer your other question which has been answered here already, we don’t go south any ore because there is no point. If we go south we lose SHGY in 8 minutes, we might trade it for IBGY but we won’t hold it because of the horde cave Rez.
The first 4 months of this new meta we tried it all, rush IBGY, rush SFGY, rush FWGY, rush FWGY cap it and die and run there as GHOSTS to be able to help reinforce an objective. NONE IF IT WORKS. All horde need to do is take SHGY then ride back down south and use old trusty cave Rez.
Where’s Hawne when u need him to explain this, maybe he would listen to a rank 14 horde warrior over an Alliance player.
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For starters, putting words into my mouth, or in this case, my text. I never said anything about a 94% win rate for horde. NOT ONCE. Clearly your the one here, with the roleplaying fantasy.
Turtling just makes things worse in the long run. Its at best, a very slim chance at winning a fight, by playing completely defensive. At worst, delaying the inevitable by dragging it out even longer. And of course, there’s always that inbetween stalemate where both sides tend to wait on reinforcements.
Maybe you should look closely at the word: BattleGround. Notice those first six letters? I didn’t think it read: Turtleground.
You folks have instant queue’s, so getting very little for the time invested in the queue system seems appropriate. But hey, keep driving up the horde queue times by boycotting it. I don’t mind. All the more reason then, when I do get into the bg, to smear more alliance faces into the ground.
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Not only do they not understand that their super obvious strat that’s been tried and fails isn’t at all original they have zero explanation for why alliance do fine in the other two BG’s but for some reason horde’s are masters of PvP but only in AV.
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Yeah bro, if you go horde I hear you get a 300 IQ boost to your AV skills.
I just can’t wait to fight these dudes in arena on my way to gladiator.
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Right? Alliance have to coordinate two teams perfectly in order to win. By chat, with players who usually have divergent personal goals for the bg (honor vs rep). Horde win 94% of the time with a zug zug deathball. Not broken. Nope.
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Even if they made it, and they won’t, the cave allows for 20 rezzes at a time over a shorter timeframe. And the cave is in a really, REALLY, good spot. The same 20 can easily overwhelm just by resurrection mechanics.
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I’ll be damned, I actually got a answer, 12+ posts later. And no less, from the person who it was asked to. Imagine that, wonders will never cease.
And to be honest about it Blinkndrink. I put that post up to see your expected reaction. More so from another meager attempt at trolling. I wasn’t disappointed, however I am a little amazed I did get a response to that question after all.
If your side however, is rolling horde in the north. Why aren’t they coming south to roll em there too? That cave location, and its respawns isn’t a issue to me when I was alliance, certainly not as a horde, but I do have to say. Your points which may seem valid to you, really aren’t valid at all.
See my side of it. Alliance rarely ever make it to the cave, because you folks don’t push south far enough to actually see it, or experience it, but yet you focus on it like its the absolute biggest exploit - game created issue with the map - that is the sole reason for your loss. I don’t really care about it, because when I was alliance, it didn’t matter the slightest. When I was horde, it didn’t matter the slightest. Your making a mountain out of a mole hill.
And you did say it yourself, your side doesn’t push south anymore. So why does it matter to you as much as you seem to think it does? Go back to the point where it has any actual relevance. Your not pushing south, yet its further south than you get on the map.
You don’t get that far, for it to be of any consequence.
You don’t see it in any AV, but you have such a passionate issue with it that you mock, ridicule, and troll anyone who sees differently? And you call me stupid.
Well if i’m clearly that stupid, your a absolute moron.
The irony in this.
hahahahahahhahaaha
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aLLy HaVeNt BeEn SoUtH oF tHe MaP sInCe ThE mAtChMaCkInG FiX MuSt MeAn ThEy ArE bAd aT pVp AnD dOnT tRy
says the pot to the kettle.
How about you try explaining the reasoning behind your issue with the cave on the horde side, when you almost never get to see it? Its not the issue of the cave’s location, or the 20 that can respawn there. Your issue is with losing nearly all the time, if not all the time.
I bet you can’t. Your just giving your 2 cents because you feel the need to have your voice heard, and troll anyone who responds. Because when it comes to av, you are like most other alliance players. Sick and tired of losing in the map, so you seize upon any reason you can, and whine and complain about it. Baiting people in for a response, so you can finally feel good about something you’ve done, then you troll them for laughs. As you and others did to me.
Your too biased to see anyone elses side, even though you’ve played both. I’m done with this thread, because I’ve had my fill of trolls. You folks are a definite credit to the alliance. Happy trolling to you all.
I will attempt this, but read it slow, some of the words might confuse you
What you currently see as the alliance AV meta is a PRODUCT of the last 8 months of losing. We don’t go south anymore, well pre nerfed druids anyway because we would of just lost faster and not gotten any rep or honor out of AV, if we don’t defend SHGY and horde take it we automatically lose.
So a new AV meta was made holding the druids and defending SHGY for an hour. Which resulted in alliance ACTUALLY getting something in AV.
Now say the cave Rez is fixed, the patch itz no one can Rez at their cave unless they control NO OTHER GRAVEYARD, just like they do in patch 2.3 of TBC, yes this does actually get patched! Do you think the meta would stay the same of us staying at SHGY to farm HKs and rep??
If you think that’s a yes you are delusional, we would always go south, just like we did for the 6 months leading up to the current AV meta before we tried everything to win and realized we couldnt break an IBGY defense, because of the cave.
Sarcasm and jokes aside, this is the reality of Alliance AV, if you don’t think alliance would push south when you can’t Rez at your cave you’re crazy. Wait until TBC, I bet my life the alliance meta isn’t to stay at SHGY when we can finally take and keep IBGY.
As soon as you take and keep IBGY the rep grinders are eager to win. Every time. A little hope and we are all headed south to see Drek’s house. But from my experience, only 1 in 4 ally teams are strong enough to dominate the Horde and win/hold IBGY while holding SHGY. And even then, if the Horde aren’t broken and make a race of it, then they have at least an even chance of winning anyway.
That’s why I think his argument is silly.
We do try to win, even with the current meta, well pre druid nerfs. It’s simply improbable that we can defend IBGY against the cave Rez.
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I don’t think changing the cave res is the cure some of you think it is. What’s going to stop horde from throwing bodies at ibgy until they take it like they do shgy and they will still be ressing x10 20 seconds away.
As long as horde cave is 30 seconds closer alliance are going to have a bad time in AV. Fix that and most of the horde advantages can be overcome with equal teams instead of alliance having to be vastly superior.