haha for sure, Enchanting is super rough xD I play xmog mostly, but I only cancel scan my high tier items cause otherwise it’s not worth and takes too long.
The throttle should be eliminated and replaced with a system that doesn’t reward undercutting. When I say undercutting, that includes, in this LIFO system, those who posted the same item at the same price who posted their item after me. It isn’t necessarily intentional. It could be that someone who finished work or school after I did logged on and posted their auctions for the evening - if they did that even 5 minutes after me, then some of the consumables (cut gems and enchants) that I posted 5 minutes earlier probably won’t sell if they haven’t already sold in that 5 minute period.
When I come back after a couple hours to check some of my auctions for consumables, (e.g., enchants or cut gems) I’ll find that 10 people or more have already undercut me. It’s frustrating trying sell some items, and yet others (battle pets) I can re-list every 48 hours for a month before they sell. I don’t like undercutting, but it feels like that’s the only way that some items will ever sell.
The 8.3 changes actually feel like they’ve made undercutting worse (with the main difference being that at a lot of the time it’s at the same price instead of 1s cheaper). It feels like I’m having to re-list auctions more often that I was before if I want any hope of selling anything. The only difference is that it isn’t always obvious who is doing the undercutting. I also can’t tell how long the other auctions for the same item have remaining because that’s hidden now.
One thing I miss about the old AH is being able to see who is selling an item. Sometimes I’d deliberately choose the 2nd or 3rd cheapest item instead of the cheapest so that I’m not rewarding the most recent undercutter. I can’t do that anymore.
If something is done about undercutting, then I would expect that to cause less lag on the AH since there will be less incentive to constantly scan, cancel, and re-list auctions. I’m not exactly sure how yet, because if we do FIFO (which makes more sense imo) then more players will go back to undercutting for 1s to skip the line and have theirs sell first. That’s where the discussion should be focused for a long term solution.
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I’d love to not have to undercut and have the need for undercutting eliminated in the first place. But until then I need to be able to xD!
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I agree. I don’t see any other choice but to continue undercutting until something is done because for some items that’s the only way they sell.
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Yeah, undercutting isn’t necessarily a FUN way to play, but that’s where the goblin arms race has left us in many markets.
Until they break it for everyone - in a way that doesn’t negatively impact actually using the AH, even for large amounts of goods at a single time - there are going to be people that play that way because that’s the only way to make money.
For what it’s worth, the only way I know that I’m still playing the undercut game with the same 1-2 people right now is because I’m watching it like a hawk and creating new LIFO layers so I can see the name that undercut me after I cancel mine. (This isn’t how I like to play WoW, so I won’t, but I felt it’s necessary to point out that if Blizzard was trying to fix traffic due to cancelscanning, while they may have managed to decrease the overall API call volume by x%, nothing has fundamentally changed from a gameplay perspective)
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I post about 100 items once or twice per day (mostly crafted gear from BfA, some older crafted transmog that sells well). I got throttled reposting them tonight (after they “relaxed” the limits). I think the limits need to be relaxed further.
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Then quit cancelling every 5 minutes as soon as anyone posts anything! Most trade goods sell out from time to time. You don’t sell any more items in the long run. Just post for 24 hours and come back tomorrow. I WOULD like there to be a 22 or 46 hour options so that your auctions expire before when you usually post every day. Otherwise, the time you post gets slowly pushed back and back every day. Or a button that cancels all your auctions with less than 2 hours remaining without penalty.
It works the same as it ALWAYS did, except now you don’t have to type in 1c undercuts every time you relist. Economies are a knowledge game, and the last person to post always has the greatest knowledge of the market. You FIFO people are thick as molasses in Alaska in January. The only think FIFO would give us are unstable markets.
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I’m selling transmog not trade goods, I have about 10 others in competition on my server for a lot of my items, we all undercut each other every few hours. It’s not a instant thing. Running a cancel scan twice a day isn’t over the top. Cancel scanning also certainly increases sales, There has been plenty of times that I’ve cancelled, reposted and instantly sold.
If Items get too low in price while undercutting I just buy em out and reset them back high.
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They should have added buy orders a long time ago.
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That would be super cool.
How does it feel? It feels awful that you all would blind side your community with a change that didn’t need fixing for 15 years, Will you now throttle DBM and other add-ons with automatic functions because they “give players and edge”? An Edge might I add that literally anyone can just go a pick up because add-ons are free. It’s less of a leg up and more of a choice to be worse then people you’re actively competing with.
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Hows the gold making there. Seemed like the prices were really low and lots of undercutting.
you mean like an economy is suppose to function? GASP the AUDACITY!
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It is too bad they made the change without getting feedback from the playerbase or warning them ahead of time, yeah.
But the constant cancel/repost has been a cancer on the AH for 15 years and it needs to go.
This change hasn’t gotten rid of it yet, so it’s obvious that there’s still work to do.
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If you are gonna do something like this blizz you need to have a way higher cap many of us have a few hundred auctions from just professions due to transmog. Plus some other mogs that dropped in dungeons and raids. I can understand trying to place limits so that the people with thousands of auctions cant control the entire market but some of us do enjpy making some gold and cant even post now even without using addons.
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Also i like how this has never been a problem in your game before and now all of a sudden it is is 16 years in. Its not even as bad an issue as it was before like in legion.
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Maybe one of the devs got undercut and it ruined his night.
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sounds like you’re just salty that you aren’t at that level of AHing, because undercutting always happens and will always happen. there isn’t away from preventing people for selling items they want at the price they want with out punishing everyone else. Just throw your items on the AH and check them every few hours if you’re not into that undercut race. I don’t bother with it constantly and my stuff sells just fine.
So tonight, my AH experiences are back to normal, except I haven’t done any cancels at all. And that got me thinking - what if, instead of having the ability to cancel auctions, instead we have the option to post auctions for a shorter timeframe than 12 hours? What if we had a 4 hour option? Or a six hour option? Make it so that the ability to repost relatively frequently is still there, but without all the server overhead AND without the “exploitive” behavior you were trying to curb as well.
Just a thought.
Quick edit: you’d probably need some sort of mechanism to account for accidental postings - like having 30 seconds or so change the posted price or amount or something like that to account for typos.
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and then I guess just screw you if you accidently mistype and post something lower then what you intended. or more then what you intended.