Asked for T5, got T4. Now I have to waste acuity for a recraft

I would, because you expected reason and common decency from strangers.

No, they’re a moron because there literally is a system in place that ENFORCES the required quality without any “instructions for the crafter” and also ensures that the crafter picking it up can in fact make the desired quality. Which wasn’t used purposedly because of whatever reasons, being cheap is my guess.

there is no such thing as “instructions to crafter”. it doesn’t say that anywhere. log in and check it yourself if you don’t believe me :slight_smile:

Heh, I’m starting to see your point about how this is a very consumer-driven thread (those posting public orders for low commission) and not well represented by the producers (crafters that want a premium if they have to use concentration).

Yep, I get it “Note to crafter” is not the same as “Instruction”, but clearly some in this thread misinterpreted it that way. The point is nothing’s enforced (notes, instructions, anything in “that box”). Either orders get declined, expire, or they get made at whatever rank the crafter decided on, not always T5 guaranteed (despite any notes).

Exactly. General Discussion is full of two types of threads:

  1. People who don’t do something, shooting their mouth off about how it should work. (In this case, people who aren’t crafters.)
  2. Most threads boil down to “Blizzard should FORCE people to do what I want”
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Public orders with quality requirements just wouldn’t work.

Every single one would be no mats or r1 mats, no tip, and r5 requested.

R1 mats would basically be impossible to get r5 with even with heavy concentration usage.

Concentration being the part you typically have to tip/pay for.

You all just want to craft T5 with r1 mats and/or give 100g as a tip.

Even if you could pick a T as requirement in a public order I doubt anyone would craft it for “free”.

Not if you create a new system.

Make a system where someone wants something made, and crafters opt-in to a notification system saying that someone wants something done.

Better than spamming chat, isn’t it?

Glad this happened to you, I’m always happy when something bad happens to players due to blizzard

You’re arguing semantics. You know what he means.

Technically there already exist 3 systems that meet the above criteria.

  1. Trade Chat
  2. In-game communities
  3. Crafting Discords

All three are horribly inefficient.

And this is fundamentally misunderstanding my entire point.

I’m very well aware that crafting orders exist to deal with BoP – my entire post was about how orders are not actually creating items that are meaningfully more complex than existed prior to the order system, such as BoEs with missives. You cannot compare it meaningfully to a handcrafted piece of work IRL vs. a generic item because there is no such actual difference.

I probably could have made my point clearer, but you’re pretty obviously trying to read the worst version of my posts, and I have no idea what your agenda for it is.

You say that because you messed up your own order.

On the topic of people holding orders to troll, I think a 2 minute timer on public orders and an inability to accept the same order more than once if you can’t complete it would solve that pretty easily.

I wouldn’t get much of any benefit from it as a customer since I already have a bunch of crafting alts. I would occasionally check on my various crafting alts for public orders with decent commissions maybe.

No, I’ve been complaining about this awful system for a while.

You have to remember that general discussion tends to unsurprisingly skew away from positive opinions about things that encourage player interaction. People are who they are. :woman_shrugging:

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Are they more or less efficient than having to recraft your item because you put in a public order anyone and their dog can pick and t1 for you?

All good, I learned that the community thinks it’s OK to ignore crafter message and make T1s. Right?

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Because if a restaurant serves you a dish, sure. You can ask to remove stuff from it. But you can’t order a dish and then say “but I expect it to be made as if this was a 3 star restaurant” when it is just a McDonalds or in your example, a Wendys. Not to mention the specification of what the thing is supposed to include happens when you order the item, not in a separate note.

Sure. Everyone has a right to be unhappy. But if you make public comments and your unhappiness is largely unwarranted, and especially when it is largely unwarranted and one is stubbornly refusing to listen to actual feedback that would be helpful … What exactly are you expecting?

A Karen behaving like a Karen is a Karen. If one dislikes that distinction, don’t behave like a Karen. One doesn’t become a jerk for trying to be helpful, pointing out where things go sideways with one’s logic, and then … all of this is largely if not entirely at the hands of OP’s stubborn refusal to listen to anyone but those who agree with 'em.

Sorry but I have learned enough about psychology, rhetoric, and media framing to simply say this much: no. It costs neigh on everything to pander to people who refuse to hold themselves accountable for their own actions.

Of course this thread spiraled way out of hand but again, that’s because of the OP. Not because of any one specific poster besides them. This entire thing you reacted to with a “That said, jesus christ 600 posts since I last looked, wtf.” is entirely because there’s people entertaining the OP’s wild assertions. Of course there’s a small number of people who interact with trolls longer than they should, but… as an example:

I’m responding to you, not the OP. This is why threads like these take on hundreds of hundreds of posts.

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