Asked for T5, got T4. Now I have to waste acuity for a recraft

[Voliska-atiesh]

@Beardy-crusader-strike

you still dont get it. its not about the ability to spam chat is about interacting with others and not having it be a souless experience.

LOL but isn’t that trade chat now? People with add-ons spamming their crap all day long?

[Brakkarion-wyrmrest-accord]

Yup. It’s that easy. Sometimes takes a while depending on your server, the time, and the item being crafted but it isn’t a lot of effort.

[Moritz-proudmoore]

I mean… its a soulless experience either way XD

[Rentralo-stormrage]

So you are against LFG, or really, anything else that was put in place so that people don’t have to spam chat?

[Foolenyou-zuljin]

Public orders are meant to be fast not for specified tiered ranks. That’s what guild and personal orders are for. Blizzard has stated this themselves. Personally I see it as public orders are there primarily for helping crafters skill up and make some gold. If you want a specified quality use the systems in place for that exact thing ie personal and guild orders.

[Darkbladejk-area-52]

@Zenetta-proudmoore

The fact that you can easily get an alt to make rank 5 of almost any kind of craft in a week is actually an argument in favor of public crafting orders with quality limits.

Why would we want to push people into just crafting everything for themselves rather than just make the market more accessible?

Okay by your logic if you can get an alt to make rank 5 of anything in a week, why are you whining demanding minimum levels for public orders when you can level an alt and do it yourself?

Second the market is already accessible because there is no minimum limit on the public orders. If you want to guarantee a specific level talk to a crafter and work out a private deal. Otherwise putting minimum levels on public orders stops newer crafters from being able to answer the orders. Then you’ll be whining about how it takes longer to get filled if it does and costs more.

@Voliska-atiesh

This is the kind of person who assumes people are awful which not reading the thread and getting their answers.

And you’re the kind of person that has to strawman and project positions onto people because you know you’re wrong.

@Rentralo-stormrage

It’s interesting how you frame this conversation. Your comments come off as not just critical, but also dismissive of others’ experiences and desires. It seems you believe that wanting a certain quality of craft is inherently entitled, but that perspective overlooks the collaborative nature of creative work.

You’re literally on here whining and throwing a temper tantrum like a toddler because the system doesn’t let you put minimum quality on public orders even though you’ve already been told why that is. Instead of going and finding a crafter and hitting up trade chat or other areas, you’re sitting here whining about how the system should just give you your way and change for you. So yeah I have no sympathy for you what so ever. In the time you’ve spent whining on here you could’ve already found a crafter.

@Rentralo-stormrage

When you assert that people should just find a crafter and negotiate, it implies a lack of empathy for those who may not have the means or connections to do so. Your tone suggests a belief that if someone isn’t satisfied, they’re simply demanding too much without recognizing the hard work and investment involved on both sides.

The whole “I don’t have the means” is an excuse for laziness and mediocrity. If you have enough time to come on here and whine on the forums while repeatedly responding to people over the course of an hour or more, you have time to hit up trade chat and look for crafters. You have the same options I do. If I need something crafted I either do it myself if I have the professions to that point, see if a guildmate or friend can do it, or hit up trade chat and advertise for a crafter. You have options, you just don’t like your options. You’re not required to like all of your options, but you disliking them doesn’t negate the fact that you do have them.

If you have time to spend on here responding to people but want to say you have no time to spend advertising for a crafter, i don’t feel a bit sorry for you at all nor should anyone else, because you’ve mismanaged your time and want to make it the problem of other people. If you can spend time on here then you have time to advertise in trade. I have no sympathy for you because you’re choosing to be helpless and wanting to blame other people for not spoon feeding stuff to you.

@Rentralo-stormrage

Moreover, labeling those who seek quality as “demanding top quality and wanting to pay nothing” seems a bit reductive. Many people are willing to invest in quality, but the conversation should also consider what’s fair for both creators and consumers. Your approach comes across as egotistical—assuming that your perspective is the only valid one—while ignoring the broader context of collaboration and mutual respect in any craft.

I said that people would demand top quality and want to pay next to nothing because that’s exactly what alot of people do. Now they’re alot easier to come by but take Consecrated Slippers as one example. People would want to get the highest possible quality but offer next to nothing in terms of commission. So of course they’re not going to get their order filled. If it takes me 1000 gold to craft something and you’re only offering 100 gold commission, why am I going to eat a 900 gold loss just because you feel entitled? That’s not going to happen. Egotistical is people like yourself wanting everyone to just hand you a specific quality because you exist and are too lazy to actually advertise for a crafter.

In private crafting deals you have a right to ask if I can crafter you a higher quality item for x amount of gold. I also have the right to say “I can’t do it for x but I can for Y” to which you can then either accept, reject, or make a counter offer. Until money and/or resources have changed hands you’re entitled to nothing.

Now if you list something for a public order knowing full well you can’t set minimum quality, that’s absolutely a you problem if you don’t get what you want. Although I would agree people should check notes, they’re under no obligation to do so.

[Beardy-crusader-strike]

@Voliska-atiesh

Oh? There are plenty of items made by professions on the AH derp

were talking about a craft for specific items not available on the AH your creating a strawman.

@Voliska-atiesh

LOL but isn’t that trade chat now?

do you have to whisper that person and ask about mats, concentration, skill level etc? thats more social than sending a public order.

[Kiyoko-ravenholdt]

Can’t relate to that at all. I’ve had many good experiences. You get out what you put in.

[Mandieris-frostmourne]

This argument you keep repeating is kind of irrelevant since LFG is cross realm and cross faction, chat isn’t.

[Moonfalls-silvermoon (Moonfalls)]

@Foolenyou-zuljin

That’s what guild and personal orders are for. Blizzard has stated this themselves.

Then they should really remove anything with ranks from the Public system.

[Grizzle-eredar]

My favorite thing about this thread, OP took all the necessary steps to get a R5 item…but then failed to execute, then complains about not getting desired results

[Beardy-crusader-strike]

@Rentralo-stormrage

So you are against LFG

people still interact in LFG i get whispers from people all the time trying to get in my key… just beacuse your lazy doesnt mean others are…

[Kiyoko-ravenholdt]

Why? The system is good at what it does, that’d make it worse.

[Zenetta-proudmoore (Zenetta)]

@Darkbladejk-area-52

Okay by your logic if you can get an alt to make rank 5 of anything in a week, why are you whining demanding minimum levels for public orders when you can level an alt and do it yourself?

I’m not whining I’m providing feedback. It doesn’t actually directly impact me that much because I have dozens of alts. Not everyone does. I think the system is stupid as it is and should be improved.

[Qaccy-baelgun (Qaccy)]

But still, the question…why would you? If you can set minimum quality on public orders, even if you know a specific crafter, you can just throw it up as a public order anyway and that specific crafter could still fill it or someone else who happens to see it more quickly can do it instead.

I’m not sure if you’re just not seeing what I’m getting at. Minimum quality is the benefit to guild/personal orders. If that gets put into public orders as well, guild/personal orders become pointless to engage with. What benefit would there be to doing so over a public order?

[Voliska-atiesh]

@Darkbladejk-area-52

You’re literally on here whining and throwing a temper tantrum like a toddler

LOL no he’s not. OMG. I’m laughing.

[Darkbladejk-area-52]

@Ache-azshara

Yes I’m the one entitled, because I don’t want randomness in my orders.

If I chose to continue on the path I’ve always been on - which is to not engage at all with the system - how am I being entitled?

Simple, because you’re demanding an entire system change to accommodate your laziness and refusal to advertise for a private craft deal. Instead of advertising for a crafter that can make you a t5 or whatever quality you want, you’re demanding blizzard change it for everyone because you were too lazy to spend a few minutes spamming trade chat. If you don’t want randomness in your orders, then do what the system tells you to do in order to avoid it. Such as finding a crafter, using missives or so on. It’s been spelled out clearly by blizzard what you need to do. If you don’t do that then it’s a you problem. Just like a doctor telling you not to keep stressing a muscle or leg because you’ll tear or break something. But instead of listening to the doctor you keep overdoing it and tear a muscle or break your leg, then whine that the doctor didn’t help you. No he told you what you needed to do, but you wanted to stomp your little feet and throw a tantrum because it wasn’t what you wanted to hear.

[Zenetta-proudmoore (Zenetta)]

@Qaccy-baelgun

But still, the question…why would you? If you can set minimum quality on public orders, even if you know a specific crafter, you can just throw it up as a public order anyway and that specific crafter could still fill it or someone else who happens to see it more quickly can do it instead.

Entirely wrong.

If you want a stranger to craft your item in a public order you have to pay them enough gold to make it worth their concentration.

When I craft items at quality 5 for my friends, which I’ve done several times this expansion since they don’t have an alt army of their own, I charge them nothing. They just buy the mats and I make their item with my concentration at no additional cost.

[Moritz-proudmoore]

I dunno.

This is how it normally goes for me.

I post in chat a few times and then i get a dm.
Them “Hey i can do that on my alt xxref”
Me “Thanks ive put up the commission for you”

They log off and log on to their alt.
They make the item.
I get the item in the mail.

We never talk again.

Thats pretty soulless

[Foolenyou-zuljin]

You are ignoring the other part I said where public orders being partly there to help skill up. Considering just about everything also now has ranks that would make public orders completely empty as well…