No you’re whining. If you can get a crafter up in less than a week, you don’t need minimum quality on public orders because you can craft it yourself. It’s really that simple. If you can get a crafter up why do you need the minimum quality? Really a simple concept.
still more interaction then a public order… and just because you dont doesnt mean crafters dont get added to friends lists for future orders
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As a weaponsmith, most of my response notes involve some type of an attempt at a witty (more likely dadjoke) funny statement and a thank you for the work and the tip.
On subject of public orders, I filled two today on my armorsmith that were listed as 1500g each, with a request to have them at max ilvl (619 in their case). Since this is a blacksmith that I have been working to finish, I filled both, using one of the +20 skill consumables and 495 concentration for each (I did hit the 619 on both). So, the requestor got 2 pieces of 619 gear for 3k + mats. I got about 2500 gold (after the Artisan’s Consortium took their cut), 2 skill points, and the final 3 points in BS (which I would have gotten at DMF on Sunday) for a cost of 990 concentration and 2 of the +20 skill items.
Yes, I could have easily ignored the requested note for max rank and sent back as R4, but part of me is also trying to build my crafting brand so when I post in trade I get positive responses there (or at least not negative responses about an inability to complete orders as requested).
My recommendation to OP is to disparage the crafter’s reputation in trade if they are seen posting with true statements regarding the incident.
Overall, yes, I support the idea of having public orders set a min rank of crafting, but then I would also want to see the system also have a minimum commission fee that scales with the minimum rank.
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Let me explain.
Before LFG, people would spam chat to find groups.
Later, an add-on got created to help people create groups without spamming chat.
At the time, there were people against that add-on. Same arguments given here: decreases social interaction, etc., etc.,
Then Blizzard actually implemented it even further, and there were even people saying they would not quit because LFG would ruin the game.
Today, LFG isn’t even seen as controversial, but the same arguments seem to always repeat themselves:
-Do the following convulted things and stop complaining.
It’s funny because you then watch Blizzard do the exact opposite. Like people BRD was fine, or class balance is fine, only to then see a bunch of nerfs.
Ultimately, it’s saying to Blizzard that the system they put in place could still be improved. Some people can’t stand any criticism against Blizzard, will defend any horrible system in place, and tell people it’s all their fault.
Honestly, don’t be shocked when a minimum quality setting is put in place.
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same here. i have a number of people who’ve been friendly, helpful, and inexpensive enough that i hit them up repeatedly for crafts. i have also run into one forum regular recently and made sure he got my order over the 5 other people who whispered at the same time 
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I don’t think you know what the word “whining” means.
This seems like a fair point on the surface, but nothing would be stopping your friends from posting a 0 commission public order which you can still fill for them.
then there would be no point to ever do a personal order…
true, but so does anyone who uses ‘touch grass’ unironically 
Would that really be so bad?
/shrug
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I’ve gotta ask though for people in this case. What exactly is there to talk about post completion of the contracted order? It’s a virtual business arrangement. If someone wants multiple crafts then sure let’s talk business. Otherwise time is money in this instance and I’m rolling on to better things. Nothing against dude but if I’m doing a bunch of profession crafting I’m there to make money not to chat. Just because I’m not there to chat doesn’t mean I can’t still wish them well.
I’ve done dungeons and LFRs with little to no interaction. People just slam through to the end. Maybe LFG needs a kumbaya mode.
once again, yes because this is an mmo and people should be socializing so it feels like a world.
There’s the “you don’t know what this means because you won’t agree with me” gaslight right on schedule.
your already doing it…
This is how you have a pleasant conversation. Thank you, Troggles.
That sounds like a good way to be reported for harassment.
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I can make the items myself. What am I whining for? White knights that call feedback whining are just limited in perspective and likely taught to just accept everything as it is and never complain about anything. Your world view is entirely wrong.
I had dozens of alts already at level 70 when TWW came out. Not everyone does. The time involved for other people is higher if they don’t already have level 70+ alts they can swap professions on. Also, not everyone necessarily knows the most efficient way to set up crafters and it may not be an area of the game that interests them.
Meanwhile, in critical thinking land, we realize that quality limits on public orders would open up the crafting system to a wider variety of both customers and crafters so more people would be willing to participate in the system in the first place. It would hugely benefit the game.
Making things less accessible doesn’t push people into doing things the way you or Blizzard want. They either find a different way around it, or if they’re unwilling to do that, they just don’t do it at all.
Obligatory Kaplan quotes since this thread needs them:
The single most important thing to remember when creating a game is that it must be FUN. When someone sits down to play your MMO, they are doing so to be entertained. An MMO should not feel like a job or obligation. It’s very important not to fall into that trap of trying to manipulate your community, as if you’re trying to run an ant farm. As a designer, it’s your responsibility to create a world that’s exciting, challenging, and FUN. It’s not your job to play god over someone’s play experience.
Avoid ant farm syndrome. Don’t play god. Don’t make an ant farm. Social experiment is not the goal of the game. A lot of designers stop playing games when they start making games, because they are playing with the players. That is fun for the designer, not the player.
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I don’t care if they implement a min quality setting to public orders or not. But you using LFG in your argument for it… a system that isn’t realm based.
LFG has been around for a long time, even longer than RDF… but until we could actually invite people from other realms or now from the opposite faction. Trade chat was still used to form groups over using LFG.
I’m glad you are ok with my suggestion.
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