As a female player....oof

[Jèrêmy-area-52]

What does your personal gender identity have to do with developers (lol and lawyers) injecting their personal world views into the game?

[Belaira-feathermoon]

Objectifing anyone is not a good thing, but lasttime i checked the NPCs is wow arent real thus you can do what you want and objectify your character all you wish, now if a person uses doing it in a videogame as an excuse to do it in real life then that is the persons fault not the videogame

[Tãmz-sisters-of-elune]

The answer is clear. For the sake of true equality, we need more armor options that-

1. Protect & enhance the masculine & feminine features of our Characters as if they’re to march proudly through the streets of their home city in their decorative armor (aka Armored Abs, Breast curvature, and etc.)
2. Purely focuses on ultimate protective coverage over flashy, arrogant, or provocative designs that belittle the reasoning for protecting our masculine & feminine forms (aka non-Armored Abs, non-Breast Armor, and etc…)
3. Compliments the masculine & feminine features of our Characters to capture gazes without shrouding them in unnecessary amounts of handmade materials. (Aka Primitive Armor, Seductive Armor, and etc.)

And to top it off - ensure we can dye it all to our heart’s content. Why? Because if I have to go one more expansion praying someone in the art department will capture both my taste in armor design & coloration, I might have to snatch up a Kobold to punt it over the front gate of Stormwind.

[Iandore-thrall]

@Brocknor-hellscream

@Iandore-thrall

I have no idea what you are trying to say

It’s obvious. You managed to type a whole lots of words… without a single rebuttal of anything I said. Because… you have no idea what I said. Your best solution would be to not post anything.

@Bhoppi-bonechewer-1849076

You can actually objectify people, mostly women.

Yeah? No kidding. But that has nothing to do with either of my posts. Which you, too, obviously don’t understand.

That incels like you and Iandore try and objectify women has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO with what they wear. You are categorically calling yourselves out as typical “she was askin’ fer it” types. And to your point, yes, YOU objectify women-- but it really doesn’t matter what they wear. Or what they do. Or what they say. It’s always some EVIL THING that stirs up those immoral thoughts and make YOU … treat them as objects.

Follow the language-- that’s a YOU problem.

You are REALLY trying to argue this point with the wrong person because I am a nudist. I talk about art, music, literature and any number of topics (yes, even sex) with completely nude females (and males) ALL THE TIME. That’s my normal. So whether they wear a floor length trench coat, or DARE to show their ankles, or a string bikini, or even completely nude… I don’t treat women as objects … BECAUSE I DON’T TREAT WOMEN AS OBJECTS. THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT and how YOU threat them… is a YOU thing.

So, as a human being and a nudist, I refer back to my post with its hundreds of upvotes for men and women who obviously understand: women can do WHATEVER THE DAMN HELL THEY WANT. And no matter what they do you should not objectify them. THAT IS A YOU problem!

STOP BLAMING WOMEN BECAUSE YOU CANNOT CONTROL YOURSELF!

I answered you succinctly, which you totally ignored:

@Iandore-thrall

YES! you love treating people as objects, that you can find some women who like to be objectified is not an argument for it. I discussed this in detail in the post you pretended to reply to here.

@Iandore-thrall

That’s a lot of upvotes to objectify people. I suppose there is a large, crux-like overlap between the wow community, the “onlyfans” community, and the “has a poor relationship with their father” community.

Chesterton said many things on this topic:

“When you treat sex as innocent, all innocent things become drenched in sex.”

“Do not be proud of the fact that your grandmother was shocked at something which you are accustomed to seeing or hearing without being shocked. There are two meanings of the word “nervous”; and it is not even a physical superiority to be actually without nerves. It may mean that your grandmother was an extremely lively and vital animal; and that you are a paralytic.”

For what we do at least know, in the most fundamental fashion, is that man is man by the possession of these fastidious fancies; from which the freethinking haddock is entirely emancipated, and by which the latitudinarian turnip is never troubled. To lose the sense of repugnance from one thing, or regard for another, is exactly so far as it goes to relapse into the vegetation or to return to the dust. But for about fifty or sixty years nearly all our culture and controversial trend has been conducted on the assumption that, as long as we could get used to any sort of caddishness, we could be perfectly contented in being cads. I do not say that all the results of the process have been wrong. But I do say that the test of the process has been wrong from first to last; for it is not a case against the citizen that a man can grow accustomed to being either a savage or a slave.

It is not a case against the citizen that a man can be used to being a slave, and the worst slavery is to one’s passions. A turnip will never “judge” you, a fish cannot tell you to be modest, but who wants to be a vegetable or a fish?

“The fury with which you search after pleasure proves you have none.”

[Bhoppi-bonechewer-1849076]

@Belaira-feathermoon

Objectifing anyone is not a good thing, but lasttime i checked the NPCs is wow arent real

When bunch of grown up men drawing teenage women in a bikini armor, it doesn’t matter if its real or not, they’re objectifying women.

[Belaira-feathermoon]

They are objectifying fictional women, it only matters is they do it in real life, so as long as they were raised by good parents they will know the difference between fictional women and real women

[Bhoppi-bonechewer-1849076]

Objectifying fictional women still has an impact on the real world and how they perceive women.

[Belaira-feathermoon]

No it doesnt, just like violent videogames dont make people violent

[Bhoppi-bonechewer-1849076]

Just because you say it doesn’t, doesn’t mean it’s true lol. Objectifying women is a bad thing, doesn’t matter if it’s real or fictional.

[Lilock-kilrogg]

i still wanna know why breasts are considered bad. without them, no humans would be here, unless they were clones.

[Gorg-alterac-mountains]

@Bhoppi-bonechewer-1849076

Just because you say it doesn’t, doesn’t mean it’s true lol. Objectifying women is a bad thing, doesn’t matter if it’s real or fictional.

You must live a really unhappy life.

[Raizul-blackwater-raiders]

@Bhoppi-bonechewer-1849076

Also you need to chill and stop mansplaining me.

@Raizul-blackwater-raiders

Did you just assume their gender?

So, are you going to address this little mistake showing that you’re nothing more than a troll? Or are you just going to ignore it in hopes that you can continue your bs?

[Patronus-coilfang]

My god go outside and do something. For real you are a miserable person, I couldn’t imagine living my life hating and being offended by everything! You only get one life, go out and have fun be happy!

[Bhoppi-bonechewer-1849076]

Why are you following me around, why don’t you go outside instead?

[Blueghost-quelthalas]

This is a subject that covers all areas of daily life and especially spaces with great audiovisual content. In Wow we have everything, the players that are and those that are not female and that certainly sometimes their Pj’s are quite offensive to the eye. Every time I’ve asked a WoW friend why they use female characters they’ve given me the same answer: ‘they look better’. C’mon guys! You can’t see better a Pj who looks like he came out of a seedy cabaret xD. Obviously the players pour a lot of their sexuality into the look of the Pjs they use. My point is, be more honest with yourself (that’s for males who play female Pj’s) and more respectful of others. If someone goes to their study or work center as if they came from a cabaret, they will obviously be reprimanded! There are spaces for everything, and if we want to live in society, we must respect spaces and their diversity (age, gender, etc.) and understand that all personal or particular rights extend to where the Law of Others begins. Neither so green nor so ripe.

[Regnyl-duskwood (Regnyl)]

@Ardmccloud-frostmourne

Just a game, just a emote, just a name change, just a transmog removal, just a breast reduction, just an elimination of gender…

just an elimination of race…

white knights, brown nosers: “ThEy SaId ThEy WeReNt GoInG aFtEr TrAnSmOgS!”

Me: yeah, they also said they wouldn’t implement scaling either.

@Rahkeetahp-aerie-peak

yeah…the wifes been seeing some of the stuff and its about got her ready to quit the game…again. lmao.
All those little things are what set this game apart from ESO and the rest. When its like ESO, I’ll just go play ESO because mechanically ESO is a better game, even if it lacks the personality of WoW…well, currently it does, till the PC crowd ruin it all.

my sub auto renewed around the end of Oct at like 1 in the morning…not sure why that was. must’ve resubbed at 1 in the morning a while back when i couldn’t sleep. so…i’m pretty much stuck till the end of this month. i may pop back in during Pilgrim’s Bounty and get the cookbook for the recipes. and i was considering working on cooking as well, but…the less i have to do with this “woke” piece of ████, the better for my stress and anxiety IMO. ._.

[Lügh-sargeras]

For both male and female, we need more skimpy armors for male characters, whats the point of all the body customizations if you can’t show them

[Kypookins-baelgun (Kypookins)]

@Hedone-wyrmrest-accord

The women in WoW are liked and respected because they’re sexy and powerful and intelligent, there is nothing wrong with having conveniently attractive female characters or content, as long as they have another attribute to compliment it.

I’ve long said that; it is women who like other women looking really good/or notice that they do.

You think women wear make-up and great clothes for guys? Ha! They wear it so other women say they look nice, guys could care less. I am never going to know what kind of heels a lady is wearing, or if she is made up just right.

I respect women dressing the way they want, while I also realize that it is not “for me.”

[Trustlvlfour-zuljin]

For the love of gnome let this stupid thread die.

[Demitros-stormrage]

How about a compromise? Revealing cloths for the gals & loin cloths / pimp hats for the guys:)