Again, that was not something he knew, nor Jania knew, nor Uther knew.
That is what -we- know due to meta knowledge.
Edit: and even then… its debatable, without him causing a schism with Uther and Jania, he might have had the full might of their resources at his hands too, including locking down the city, ect.
I think I found the source of the circling debate. I think the core problem comes from a difference in philosophic thought, Marxism vs utilitarianism.
Marxism makes the action, no matter the intent, immoral. Utilitarianism looks at the intent of the action and how it affects the affected parties. Or something like that, I haven’t had a philosophy class in about two or three years.
I disagree. Most villains actively know what they are doing is wrong. They just don’t care. There’s a difference.
Take someone like Deathwing vs someone like Malygos. Deathwing knew he was a villain, and just didn’t care. Malygos truly felt that magic needed to be taken out of mortals’ hands because they wrought so much evil with it.
Found what I was looking for:
“As a paladin, Arthas had always sought to bring order and justice to Azeroth. That desire remained, but it was now far more twisted than ever before.”
“A world ruled by the undead would have no more injustice, no more wars, no more mortal flaws.”
There are many terror organizations that would disagree with you.
Most of them are a Malygos, its few who are a Deathwing… we all want to be the hero in our tales, even if we have to lie to ourselves to why we do what we do.
Was it tho?
Because if I remember correctly Arthas willing and freely turned evil and came back to finish off the entire Kingdom himself.
This is fake news. It’s pretty common knowledge that Arthas lost his free will.
Thats been a rather large argument thus far… and neither side has been really disproven.
It ultimately doesn’t really matter when the only person who has a say in things is the Arbiter.
How many times must I copy paste this:
Per Ask Cdev 1:
Q: Can you please explain how “light” works? The lore states that undead are physically incapable of using the light, much like the Broken, but then we have Forsaken players casting healing spells, and Sir Zeliek in Naxxramas using pseudo-paladin abilities.
A: Without spoiling too much, we can tell you that wielding the Light is a matter of having willpower or faith in one’s own ability to do it. That’s why there are evil paladins (for example, the Scarlet Crusade and Arthas before he took up Frostmorne ).
Edit: Its only fake if you don’t believe Cdev. Arthas was evil before picking up Frostmorne period.
“Evil is a point of view”.
It depends on who you ask.
If you were to take Arthas’ actions out of context, you can easily consider him evil.
And yes the Light can be used for evil actions, as well, so long as they are done for the participant’s opinion of a just reason.
The Culling of Stratholme was not an inherently evil act. Now, if Arthas just began murdering them for no reason, then yeah, that would be evil. But he was killing them to prevent them from turning into the Undead, and later killing even more.
I meant more in the sense of the ongoing debate.
Except, Arthas didn’t know how much of the city was infected, he didnt know how long they had until people began to die and turn, he didnt know if there was a chance to save anyone…
And he didn’t care.
My point is that the ongoing debate is rather moot, as the Arbiter takes into account all actions of a life, not the squabbling over segments of life that we’re doing here.
Arthas was never a good guy and his will was always his own. He was a spoiled brat who constantly made poor selfish choices. For instance, when he made his beloved horse, Invincible, jump a log in icy snow just for kicks and ends up having to kill it. You would have thought he’d learn then that there are consequences for your action, but no…
He continues to make poorly thought out, selfish choices culminating in him taking up frostmorne, even though he knew it was cursed, and losing a part of his soul (selfishly he kills the rest later along with Ner’zhul to become the Lich King). He was actually such a spoiled brat that one of the first things he does with his new found powers is raise his dead horse Invincible because he missed him.
Sylvanas lost her soul because the brat stole it so he could torture it. She also never turned on her people, but died fighting for them. The brat tortured her soul until she “screamed like a banshee” killing her people and thus adding to her torment.
That’s the difference.
Well yeah… but when do we not squabble?
To be fair, High Elf Sylvanas was a brat, too. Just a brat that had deserved to go to probably Bastion.
Though, given what we know about Bastion, High Elf Sylvanas’ fate might have been to be erased and turned into a Kyrian, which I don’t think many people would have liked, either.
From Cdev’s point of view, Arthas willing and freely became evil before picking up Frostmorne. We can’t pin point it because Cdev didn’t pin point it, but what we know is no one forced him to be evil, not even Frostmorne.
The worst act Arthas committed is subjective. He freely committed evil acts and became worse after picking up Frostmorne. At what point that happened is irrelevant in the grand scheme of the conversation which my point is simply to disprove your statement of:
Arthas pre-Frostmoune is the definition of morally gray.
And? He stopped Stratholme’s plague from spreading to further towns and cities.
And what would he do? Quarantine the town until the entire town’s plagued population turns? Potentially losing more lives, in the process of attempting hold the quarantine? Wasting time and resources, while other cities and towns are being attacked? While Mal’Ganis continues to lead the Scourge, causing more mayhem in the long run?
That’s fair.