Arthas' Redemption: The Death of Sylvanas

I disagree. Saving someone does not make murdering someone else not evil. Save innumerable amount of people does not make murdering a single person not evil.

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Yes it does.

No it doesn’t.

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I didn’t say anything about Sylvanas rejoining the Horde, which is one of several intriguing storylines they could pursue over the tired and overdone descend into madness storyline.

Are we talking about High Elf Sylvanas being restored like being yoinked back into existence from before her death and having no experiences of anything that Banshee Sylvanas did, or as we talking about like the first steps of Kerrigan 2.0?

To quote swordfish, “You have the power to cure all the worlds diseases but you have to kill a single innocent child” “What about 10? 100? A thousand?”

Its a good trade, kill a thousand innocent children, and cure every disease, you’d save billions… but that doesn’t change the horror of what you did. You still have damned yourself

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Yes it does, lol. If you can protect someone else, and choose not to, and let them die to a third party, you are actively letting a murder happen, and should absolutely be blamed for it.

If you are defending someone else, and have to kill someone, that’s defense, and should be commended. That doesn’t make you evil, lol.

Not acting when you have the power to, and letting bad things happen is evil.

To quote good ole Spider-Man:

“With great power, comes great responsibilty.”

And

“When you can do the things that I can, but you don’t, and then the bad things happen, they happen because of you.”

Or was it when his Light went out like the the glow faded from Shonuff in the Last Dragon?

It would be unjust to let the diseases remain in the world to kill millions, maybe even billions more.

Oh, i’d do it without blinking…

That doesn’t make me morally right, i’ll still have damned myself, I will have done the wrong things for the right reasons.

EDIT: Again, i do want to point out, since alot of focus is on Arthas pre-frostmourn… he simply had no way of knowing if what he was doing was right or not. We have the meta knowledge… Janina, Uther, Arthas, did not…

the information he had on the plague, was still shaky at the time of stratholm, he knew it was in the grain, and it raised those it killed… little else.

And i will admit this is my Bias, but thats why i think his fall was purely his own, he was warned, his mentor, his beloved, both argued with him to turn back from his path, and he refused, because he couldn’t accept his own lack of knowledge and weakness.

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To be fair, this is probably what initially damned Banshee Sylvanas to the Maw, as well.

Incorrect, as killing someone innocent to save someone else is not defense.

If your choice is to watch someone you care about die, or run an unrelated third party over to save them, and you kill that person, you have still committed murder.

The Light was with Arthas all the way up to his killing of Mal’Ganis. It had just dimmed some, because of the acts he had to commit. But it remained with him, ever still.

You’re wearing a Scarlet Crusade tabard. You know that the Light can still be used by evil people.

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Depends on the situation. A 1 for 1 trade of innocent lives is completely dependent on the situation. But now if we were talking about saving 2 innocents for the cost of 1, then it would be a just act to kill the 1.

And still damned for killing the one.

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Oh I know. I was just pointing out he could have decided to turn evil when he willing and freely decided to kill every man, women and child in Stratholme.

The Light can only be used by people who think that their cause is just. It won’t work for people who know they are doing wrong.

For the most part, even amongst all of the Scarlet Crusade’s fanaticism and extreme approach, their cause wasn’t inherently wrong.

And if you think them waging a war against the Forsaken is unjust, I’ve got a few good examples of Forsaken history to remind you that they are in fact not good guys, lol.

-Think- their cause is just… thats the key word, few bad guys/ evil… think of themselves as evil.

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The Culling of Stratholme was absolutely the right move. If even a single person was killed by any of those that would have turned in Stratholme, that Arthas could have prevented, then that death would have been Arthas’ fault.

Uther was a fool for not heeding Arthas’ warning. There was, and still is, no cure for the plague. Those men and women were damned and there was absolutely no saving them.

A mercy killing, to prevent them from unwillingly forcing their fate on others, was the best thing that Arthas could have done in that situation.

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People who don’t think they’re doing wrong can most definitely be doing wrong, regardless of whatever they think.

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