Arthas pre-Frostmourn was morally gray.
If Arthas’ morally gray is evil in Cdev’s eyes, then so be it.
These are also the same devs that think the Horde burning Teldrassil was morally gray, lol.
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I am actually a bit interested in how this will play out, i have a theory that sylvanas was bamboozled by the jailer to think she would go to superhell once she died so she started doing really evil stuff and get really condemned to the maw.
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Ditto, i really wanna see how this one go’es
Not just Sylvie, but why Kael wound up where he did, and why KT has’nt just… poped back up yet… i hate to admit it, but lorewise, this seems like it might be a fun one (even if we get a ton of a retcons)
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Aw crap, I got my theories mixed up earlier. It’s not Marxism, it’s Kantianism.
Womp womp.
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That’s your opinion which is fine, but don’t call me out for having fake news.
I simply quoted the creators.
Found it:
- Arthas lifted the glowing runeblade in a formal gesture. “I salute your bravery, elf, but the chase is over.” Oddly, he sounded like he meant the compliment.
Sylvanas swallowed; her mouth was dry as bone. She tightened her grip on her weapons. “Then I’ll make my stand here, butcher. Anar’alah belore.”
His gray lips twitched. “As you will, Ranger-General.”
He did not even bother to dismount. Instead the skeletal steed whinnied and galloped straight toward her. Arthas gripped the reins with his left hand, his right drawing back the massive sword. Sylvanas sobbed, once. No cry of fear or regret came from those lips. Only a short, harsh sob of impotent anger, of hatred, of righteous fury that she was not able to stop them, not even when she had given all she could, not even with her life’s blood.
Alleria, sister, I come.
But I think you missed my follow up post in all the rapid fire discussion going on:
You know,
I always found it interesting how devoted Sylvie was to her sisters… Alleria being her last thoughts, her casting out her heart when Vereesa ‘betrayed’ her and cast her aside during Garroshs trial…(granted, Sylvie was planning on killing her so they could be together forever, but still)
I always wished they had shown more of the sisters interactions.
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At the very least, it made the scene at the end of the Battle for Lordaeron rather impactful when Alleria was willing to sentenced Sylvanas to death.
As the eldest sibling myself, I wasn’t really sure how to process that.
Same here, oldest of three, so it struck a chord with me…
I dunno, i just felt like her feelings to her sisters humanized her you know? Like all good villains, had that touch.
I am also the oldest of three!
But not for me, if anything that scene dehumanized Sylvanas even more for me. But that’s just my perspective on what someone would have to do so that their own family would damn them.
Definitely no yonking, that seems like a bunch of zzzzzzzzzzz.
Can’t say I’m too familiar with Kerrigan, but as far as memory goes, I think having some memories and losing some memories would be awesome. In that fashion she’s not breaking her neck trying to atone for every single transgression. The sheer amount of hate she would still get could make for some good story telling. I would be curious how she would interact with the Horde and Alliance, Nathanos, the Forsaken, Lor’themar, the Farstriders etc etc. It just seems more interesting than lawl madness storyline yet again.
Edit: Just to be clear I’m talking about a fully living pink headed Sylvanas.
ACK! Sorry, i ment how she felt about her sisters prior to that is what humanized her…
By that point, it served more to drive home how far she had fallen.
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Also a ranger. Defended her people. Tortured by her enemy and remade into a monster enslaved by evil psychic mind control. Regains her free will and becomes queen of some of this monstrous looking faction. Does evil things as the queen, including killing innocent people in the name of developing weapons to turn against her enemies. Saved by Humans and made pink and fleshy like them again.
Obviously Blizzard could play out the rest of the story differently than they did with Kerrigan, but, as you can see, already boringly played out.
Its the several intriguing potential storylines they could tell going forward which I’m interested in, not some happily ever after mic drop.
Happily ever after mic drop was indeed how they wrapped up Kerrigan’s story.
I think the several intriguing potential storylines they didn’t tell going forward with Sylvanas being Garrosh 2.0 is telling enough.
Lawl, geez please no. If I have to suffer more redundant “yeah we’ve seen this before” same ole same ole storytelling I may drop completely off the lore grid.
So are we at the part were Garrosh vanishes from court twirling his stache?
And takes us to the expansion where writers get to write about long dead characters again out of nostalgia.
Perfect examples of the rest of my post. You assume that because they aren’t evil, their souls must not have been altered by undeath. Even though Zelling and Derek are both still fairly traumatized by it, and neither really displays any positive emotion.
Nope. Because Arthas chose damnation, while Sylvanas had it forced upon her. By Arthas. Arthas is responsible for his monstrous state. Sylvanas is not.
I feel like this is a pretty obvious distinction. Choosing to do something versus being forced to do it is a pretty basic legal distinction, for instance.
Now, once they were both monsters they did terrible things. Nobody is excusing the choices Sylvanas made when she regained her freedom, and at that point it is fair to find an equivalency between her and Arthas. But I find it very strange that people are equating their circumstances in how they got to that place.
You should feel pity for what happened to the living Sylvanas. She was brave and heroic. Hell, Blizzard just showed you how she threw herself at Arthas to buy a few precious, futile seconds for a child to run. If you don’t feel pity for that person, then I don’t don’t understand you.
You can also hate the undead Sylvanas for her many crimes. Those things can go together. They are supposed to go together. You are supposed to see how enormous her fall was.
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Leonid Bartholomew, the undead Argent Crusader, is probably the most straight-up “good” undead character in the game. But he has dialogue where he explains that even though others see him as good, he feels nothing. He acts out of a sense of duty and through sheer willpower, but gets no pleasure from it.
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