This is true. When she died as a High Elf, Sylvanas deserved to go somewhere else (probably Bastion). Unfortunately the Shadowlands does not seem to have the capability to fix souls changed by magic, as we see Forsaken and Worgen souls in Bastion, so in the grand scheme of things the soul that was High Elf Sylvanas is probably gone and has been so. So the only thing left is the Banshee Sylvanas, who deserves to go to the Maw.
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Not justifying it but he also believed Mal 'Ganis would come back with the plague, anyway i believe he was mostly vengeance driven.
How could he have free will? he had no soul already, she still has hers, and damned herself after regaining free will.
He had his soul, it was just in Frostmourne, same as Kel’Thuzad’s soul was in his phylactery. Once Arthas eliminated Ner’zhul Arthas’ will was entirely his own, regardless of where his soul was.
There’s this thing called subtext. And while I realize writers that use it are all cowards, it can still be a useful tool in storytelling.
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I do understand what you’re saying, but if there’s ever a glitch in the system and someone is ever brought back to their original state pre undeath it should be Sylvanas. I really like both versions of her pre and post death.
Could you imagine how cool it would be to have a living Sylvanas? I would literally subscribe for the next 10 years.
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I respect someone who concedes when they are incorrect. Not a sight seen much here!
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That sounds unnecessarily cruel. Though I am all for the idea of Banshee Sylvanas being erased from existence, High Elf Sylvanas being restored and having to see everything that was done in her name would be as cruel as making the Joker sane and having to face all the evil he has ever done that he wouldn’t have.
I have no problem admitting when I am wrong.
Some stubborn people just never actually make citations and expect to be taken seriously any way.
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Do you have any examples besides Calia?
I feel like your equating altered souls with being evil. And presuming that since some undead aren’t evil, then they must not all have had their souls altered.
But you can have a damaged soul that can’t feel positive emotions, an still act like a good person if you choose. It’s just that most undead don’t see the point of being good if it doesn’t make you feel good.
Orrrr she can accept any transgression she thinks she has and work tirelessly to right them. Her descending into madness is a wack and tired storyline, an untainted uncursed Sylvanas working to right her wrongs sounds more intriguing.
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I dont think he was himself after he got his soul sucked by frostmourne, again, he couldnt have done all that BECAUSE his soul was on the runeblade, whatever parodied on the body on arthas did all that, he is still responsable for making the call of taking the blade even if it was on extreme circumstances.
Are you still yourself without a soul? If sargeras put his soul on illidan’s body is he still illidan? would you call him illidan?.
I didn’t really get that vibe from him. In WC3 he was portrayed as genuinely wanting to save and protect his people, and became increasingly aggressive as he couldn’t seem to stop the Scourge, and nobody would listen to him on how big of a threat the Scourge actually was.
He realized that if the Scourge wasn’t stopped for good, that it would come back and continue to plague his people. And then he had people like Uther and Terenas dismissing his experience and knowledge of how the plague worked, and actively working against his campaign.
Had Uther instead have gone with Arthas, he could have been there to convince Arthas not to take up Frostmourne. That they could defeat Mal’Ganis together, and that when all was said and done, and the Scourge defeated, their people would need a leader. And that Arthas could not have been that leader if he had sold his soul.
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Zelling and Derek at least. Kel’Thuzad probably. Forsaken at the Gathering. Etc.
Aren’t a lot of people complaining about Anduin already making the Horde into Alliance-lite? How would this be any different than Velen giving the Blood Elves the Sunwell back? She’d be like Liadrin 2.0. Or worse, given High Elf Sylvanas’ love of Alleria. High Elf Sylvanas even christened Alleria’s statue in Stormwind herself. High Elf Sylvanas’ last thoughts were even of Alleria.
I didn’t say he was who he was again. I said who he was now, with no Ner’zhul whispering to him any more, damned himself further than he already was, same as Banshee Sylvanas.
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Arthas is described as being evil before picking up Frostmorne. He willing made horrible and stupid choices and became evil in the process. Uther, Terenas, Jaina, the Burning Legion, Frostmorne etc etc none of them forced Arthas into being evil. Edit: Good thing they didn’t follow this evil stupid guy otherwise they may have become evil and stupid.
Why the gymnastics and dodge ball replies?
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On second thought I might be for Sylvanas redemption arc after all… Alleria Sylvanas reunion…
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The worst act Arthas committed was killing the mercenaries he hired to prevent his men from following Terenas’ order to recall back to Lordaeron. And even then that was done with good intent, to kill Mal’Ganis and stop the Scourge.
Arthas pre-Frostmoune is the definition of morally gray.
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Last I checked, murder is evil.
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Doesn’t Chronicle state something about Arthas never abandoning his paladin beliefs in justice, only that they became perverted by the logic of the scourge?
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Had Arthas’ soul not be taken, the number of lives he would have saved for the cost of so few would absolutely have made his actions worth it.
If given the choice to murder one person for the salvation of ten others, to choose to not commit the act, you are actively killing those other ten.
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