in this setting the souless body still has some memories and vestiges of the whole person, as i said its like that annoyning salsa thing, if you see some undead behave like that, or had memories when they were alive, the avatar of sargeras was a souless thing and we know this because sargeras was elsewhere, we know it didnt had a soul but you could see it could feel, suffer or being angry, then we killed it.
Arthass was a typo by the way, but somehow, it kind of fits. 
Yes but at one point the container was full of salsa and was slowly consumed.
"The vision takes on the pallor of a half-remembered dream. But with horrific clarity, the memory always ends the same: Sylvanas’s spirit is wrenched away. The pain is so intense it leaves her soul forever torn. " -Edge of Night
Sylvanas is certainly different in undeath than she was in life. There are several accounts from people who knew her in life that state she’s changed as well.
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Serving the Litch King is not the same thing as having no free will, he was given orders, and left to interpret and carry them out how he saw fit. (see what he did with Sylvie), was he being influenced? Absolutely! Did his soul being in tatters and drunk on the dark kool-aid part of what led him to following those orders? Yep.
But he still had will, he still made his choices as the Death Knight Arthas.
We know undeath changes someone, this is cannon, this is lore, we know Sylvie’s experiences the torment she suffered affected her as well, we know Veressa turning from her during Garroshs trial caused her to cast out the last of her heart like Arthas did.
TDLR: Both deserve to be in the maw, both are interesting villains, running on similar paths to their own damnation. The point everyone has been saying time and again, is Arthas was just slightly worse due to sheer scope, and that Sylvie deserves to be in the maw, just not with Arthas as her punisher.
Also Edge of Night:
- No, she was the same. In death as in life.
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Are you still using this out of context again? You should post it in context otherwise it just comes off as ignorant or plain dishonesty.
Could you imagine taking this at face value, it makes me feel dumber?
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Don’t do that in bad faith…
" Still a warrior’s heart? She had grown cold. No, she was the same. In death as in life."
It was in reference to she had been willing to sacrifice her rangers in the past to save the elves, and then willing to sacrifice humans to save the forsaken
Edit: it also was the Valk probing her memories, it was a outside observer.
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No, i adressed this when i said her soul was twisted, but its still there, it doesnt conflict with the main differences of a souless body vs a soul possesing their own body, she has scars however she has her will after she is freed from the lich king’s control.
It was basically a botched posession, once he got the helm on arthas merged with nerzhul, that nerzhul got overpowered by the power/memories/whatever was powering the body that arthas’ soul left, it his own fault his container wasnt willing.
It’s clear from the missions his act of damnation was listening to nerzhul’s voices when they told him to grab frostmourne, after that his soul got sucked in and he was damned already, no free will, one if his first words was “what is the lich king’s will”, after that he spends the frozen throne expansion following that will, another extract from the book.
For a moment Arthas stood, the wind and snow writhing about him, the glow of the runes on Frostmourne’s blade, partially obscured by dark demonic blood, illuminating the glorious scene.
“It is finished,” he said softly.
This part of your journey, yes, young prince, Frostmourne whispered—or was it truly the Dark Lord Mal’Ganis had spoken of? He did not know or care. Carefully he bent and wiped the blade clean in the snow. But there is more. So much more. So much power that could be yours. So much knowledge and control.
Arthas remembered Muradin’s reading of the inscription. His hand went to his heart without his immediately realizing it. The blade was part of him now, and he was part of it.
After this he went and killed everyone and everything he loved, his kingdom, his father without feeling pity, he cant resist the whispers because he has no soul, he is just a puppet doing monstrosities because some magic sword told him to do so.
Sylvanas on the other hand was cursing arthas on her mind every second she was with him and wished she could kill him, however as her will was overpowered by the lich king she couldnt until it weakened, guess what she did by her own choice when she was freed?.
We deviated from my main argument, i kindly asked you to address my main point and do so again.
edit:typo
And do you give Arthas the same excuse? Arthas, too, was no longer who he was before, which so far I have only seen Tychè really reflect on at all:
- Arthas got to his feet and took unsteady steps toward the radiant weapon, his hand, still wet with the blood of his friend, outstretched and trembling. It closed on the shaft and his fingers curled around it, fitting it perfectly, as if the one was made for the other.
Cold shot through him, shivering up his arms, spreading over his body and into his heart. It was painful for a moment and he knew a hint of alarm, and then suddenly it was all right. It was all all right; Frostmourne was his and he was its, and its voice was speaking, whispering, caressing inside his mind as if it had always been there.
With a cry of joy, he lifted the weapon, gazing at it in wonder and fierce pride. He would make things right—he, Arthas Menethil, and the glorious Frostmourne that was now as much a part of him as his mind or his heart or his breath, and he listened intently to the secrets it revealed.
A brief thought crossed his mind: Frostmourne hungers.
Arthas remembered Muradin’s reading of the inscription. His hand went to his heart without his immediately realizing it. The blade was part of him now, and he was part of it.
“What is this? What are you doing, my son?”
“Succeeding you…Father.”
And Frostmourne’s hunger was sated—for the moment.
“Like Mal’Ganis, I am a dreadlord. But I am not your enemy,” Tichondrius had reassured him.
The lips twisted in a smile that was more of a sneer. “In truth, I’ve come to congratulate you. By killing your own father and delivering this land to the Scourge, you have passed your first test. The Lich King is pleased with your…enthusiasm.”
Arthas felt buffeted by twin emotions—pain and exultation.
“Yes,” he said, keeping his voice steady in front of the demon, “I’ve damned everyone and everything I’ve ever loved in his name, and I still feel no remorse. No pity. No shame.”
And in his heart of hearts, there came another whisper, but not from Frostmourne: Liar.
“The runeblade you carry was forged by my kind, long ago. The Lich King has empowered it to steal souls. Yours was the first one it claimed.”
Emotions warred within Arthas. He stared at the blade. Tichondrius’s word choice had not escaped him. Stolen. Had the Lich King asked for his soul in exchange for saving his people, Arthas would have given it. But the Lich King had asked no such thing; he had simply taken it. And now it was there, locked inside the glowing weapon, so close to Arthas that the prince—the king—could almost, but not quite, touch it. And had Arthas even gotten what he had set out to get? Had his people been saved?
Did it matter?
Tichondrius watched him closely. “Then I’ll make do without one,” Arthas said lightly. “What is the Lich King’s will?”
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No, we have a cite that his soul was sucked up as soon as he grabed the damn thing.
“Yes,” he said, keeping his voice steady in front of the demon, “I’ve damned everyone and
everything I’ve ever loved in his name, and I still feel no remorse. No pity. No shame.”
And in his heart of hearts, there came another whisper, but not from Frostmourne: Liar.
He forced the sentiment down. That voice would be silenced, somehow. He could not afford to permit the softness to grow. It was like gangrene; it would eat him, if he let it.
Tichondrius seemed not to notice. He pointed to Frostmourne. “The runeblade you carry was forged by my kind, long ago. The Lich King has empowered it to steal souls. Yours was the first one it claimed.”
His soul was watching his own body doing monstrosities inside frostmourne, why do you think he asks if its over when we defeat him? his soul briefly came back to his body.
He has no soul nor will after grabbing frostmourne, we have several examples of souless beings in this game.
I agree, he is probably sulking on the maw, the monster we saw is not the same soul that is full of regret on the maw.
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IMO this is a prime example of morally grey being done right and one of my favorite lore bits. They all died defending Quel’thalas including Sylvanas and tried to slow them the best they could.
Their bravery and sacrifice puts a lump in my throat 
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I giggled.
more like slurped by a hungry raccon.
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One stark difference between the 2, Arthas soul wasn’t ripped from his body unwillingly and forcibly changed from something “good” to something that was “evil”.
Arthas is described as evil long before he willingly picked up Frostmorne.
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Sure. Arthas was changed as well. The difference (for me at least) in how I judge the characters is that Arthas’ change was brought upon himself via his own actions and the path he chose to take. Sylvanas’ change on the other hand was forced on her by Arthas.
That is why I view Sylvanas in a more sympathetic light than Arthas.
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Stop asking for Sylvie to suffer. It’s horrifying, grotesque and disgusting. It would be an unacceptable message for the story to send. She is an abuse victim. She had no choice. A tragedy that must be fixed with redemption.
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I think this is a fair way to judge characters, and people for that matter.
Though obviously I have no sympathy for who Sylvanas is now any more than I have for the alternate universe Arthas that was never affected by the Scourge.
I agree, but I want to tac on anyone else that suffered through her predicament or something similar.
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Id say she had years to steer into the other direction but choose not to, Arthas wasnt given such luxury before he was damned, we have evidence forsaken can at least heal somewhat, look at Voss, shes doing a lot better than when she was first raised, so does faol.
This much is obvious, with the gold-metal quality gymnastics you’ve been doing to try and defend Arthas while condemning Sylvanas.
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