And, raising gold to buy those FLYING mounts…had me out IN THE WORLD. Gathering to post on AH or crafting things to post on AH. More dungeons to run etc. No, flying was not a mistake. Balancing the classes around 3v3 was alot more destructive to the game than flying ever could have been.
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I think they’ve got an amazing opportunity to re-invent the progression of WoWs development. They’ve got an incredible amount of insight into what the game became, and the various stages within it’s development. They could take the innovative and slightly risky approach of developing the classic+ experience with additional content and follow the same guiding design principals that have enticed this community back.
OR
They could take the safe option for legacy servers that will eventually stagnate due to a lack of new content.
Short term investor game, or pulling for long run. It’ll be interesting to see which way it goes, but given recent history I’m willing to bet they take the safe - non innovative approach for short term investor gains 
The folks that gave us retail will be the ones doing classic plus.
I would rather have legacy servers (if it has to be one of the other), know what we are getting.
Better to stick with the devil you know, than one you don’t.
Vanilla through wrath was the ascension of the massive sub numbers blizzard enjoyed. WoD through today’s dumpster fire has actiblizz not even reporting sub numbers anymore. Keep in mind, the community voiced their concerns and actiblizz continued to double down on their almighty vision of fun…lol.
Classic plus, will bring microtransactions, new material. And actiblizz would give up millions of subs for a few that have more money than sense, for those microtransactions…think about that…lol.
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Only baby childs want TBC. Op confirmed baby child
Yeah but TBC won’t be as successful as Classic…it will only be a let down and might even be a death blow to a future LK server. The more you move in that old direction the closer you get to where people started leaving the game in the first place.
Would ANY company trade 3 million subs for 1 Million? Doesn’t make sense…you’re going to lose people when all the phases are done, TBC isn’t going to bring back those people that love the Classic game play/style and want a continuation of that experience.
You’re entitled to your opinion but I think Blizz still has “it”…you and others are free to think what you want to think and that’s great but so are others and myself. We’ve already talked about having a list of Classic “musts” and that any new content would have to be in the spirit of Classic.
Also, I remember when people said the same thing about Classic servers, that they were a long shot that “no way would Blizz invest in them”, that “Blizz couldn’t make classic because all the old devs are gone”.
Yes I do…unlike some of you, I have some faith in them, they did a good job with Classic and past performance doesn’t determine future performance. That’s like saying the 1999 St.Louis Rams were going to suck because the 1998 Rams were a bad team, guess what? The 1999 Rams won the Superbowl…
Hard pass on TBC, it was ok but it was the beginning of the end IMO…the good thing is Blizz can learn from its mistakes with a Classic + server.
You and others have every right to feel the way you feel and be of the opinion that once you make a mistakes they should always follow you but I’m of the belief that people can change and we should give second,third and in some cases fourth chances.
I know I’m in the minority cause I’m not a negative person…I don’t always think the worst things are going to happen, I’m a “glass is half full” kinda person.
Seeing as blizzard handled Classic I wouldn’t advise they make another game ever again especially another relaunch
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They under-estimated it, its not a big deal…I didn’t have any issues with logging in or with Q’s…I also waited a few days and rolled on a newer server.
I would love to see legacy servers. Separate legacy servers.
Then folks can play in the xpac they liked the best. Everyone happy.
My only condition would be you have to reroll on every different server, no moving.
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Theres no reason they can’t open TBC servers separate from classic so the lvl 60 peeps can be happy.
We just broke the wall of “no” down and here we are so eager to build a new one up?
Stop being hypocrites seriously.
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Not sure what you meant by this exactly…the current theory is that since they have ALL the patch data from TBC onward, that we will get a mirrored 1:1 patch cycle as it was back then after it launched, moving through it’s usual patches/updates till we reach the final one. It wouldn’t be a “choose ONE patch in particular and it stays that way permanently” That only applied to Classic because 1.12 was the only patch data they had for it to reference in order to port it all over to the 7.3.5 client.
The rest of your views about how expansions need to be separate however, I agree on 100%. Keep it optional, and give us the choice on what time period in Azeroth we want to relive every time we log on. Nothing added or removed from ANY of them. That would be enough to keep me happy and occupied for several years just up to Wrath alone. Cataclysm is when it lost it’s charm for me, and I’ll never play it if they put that out too, but if others want it, more power to them.
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First off you aren’t a moderator, and as you pointed out…the PROPER forum doesn’t exist yet, so this is the only place we can ask for it since it’s considered legacy content and fits the Classic theme in that regard. And NO it’s not too soon considering how long it takes for an expansion/patch to be in development before it’s ready, so the sooner we discuss it the better
And for the record, Blizzard themselves initially brought up TBC. This was over a month ago, so you’re a bit late to the party here 
Most of us who talk about the expansions here have done so based on the premise that Classic will remain in perpetuity as a museum piece just as Blizzard had promised us to begin with, and yes that means separate clients/servers.
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Speak for yourself…I liked TBC and I’m over 40 so no it’s got nothing to do with maturity or lack thereof…your statement however does 
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I wouldn’t play Cata, but I would play MoP. Loved class builds then and the expac was wonderful fun.
I stopped raiding in Cata so the dailies don’t bother me. I would do my farm, however 
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This is ultimately where you lose most people.
Lots of us enjoy Classic. We don’t really have anything against you for preferring TBC, but when you try to take away Classic so you can get what you want, you’re going to get nothing but negative responses.
Exactly.
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Most of us have proposed a 1 time character copy so you could keep your main on the prior server also and not lose anything. Just the ability to copy your main once to avoid gold abuse and duping items. Anything else must be rolled at lvl 1. Otherwise I agree on your statements completely
As I’ve said I would love separate classic TBC servers.
Since both TBC and Wrath both used the same basic engine ( before the engine upgraded graphics etc…) At some point, once they had a version of classic running someone at Blizz said “Hey I wonder if we use a TBC Data file if it would work” and I bet it did, likely with some bugs to be ironed out of course.
To the op I see no reasonable argument against separate TBC servers. That way we can keep classic servers at classic.
Also to the classic+ ive seen mentioned, I wouldn’t play it as I wouldn’t want to change the story, If they were going to go that route might as well just make a WoW 2 which I would give a shot.
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Absolutely…at least with the expansions we know what we are getting, and have the choice on how much retail crap we are willing to endure.
The Classic+ idea however, is a major wildcard in that regard since nobody knows specifically what it will have or not have, and with the OSRS voting system tied to it like so many Classic+ advocates have proposed, I can guarantee that the people who play retail will screw that up rather quickly. That’s setting it up to fail because once retail QoL crap goes in it like the LFG tool, flying, transmog, etc. that so many other players claim to hate regarding the expansions…then what’s the difference between that and retail aside from the new Classic style content?? Not a damn thing that’s what.
Nope, Classic+ is a hard pass for me. I left retail for a reason, and I have no desire to see any aspect of it get put into the game that wasn’t there already in the first place.
That’s where #nochanges comes into play when discussing the expansions. Nothing added or removed, and no updates aside from the scheduled patch releases, and bug/exploit fixes. Everything in maintenance mode after patch cycles are done for each version of the game all in it’s own time capsule
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So your theory is that the more you move in that old direction the closer you get to where people leave the game so we should skip BC and go straight to LK…
/boggle
You do know there are a ton of people that loved BC right? It had millions more than Vanilla… just sayin…
I never said they were a long shot… they were and are the next best thing… you saw Everquest do them and they became a cash cow… it was the logical next step… as BC servers are.
We will see what we will see… but Classic was going back and finding a patch… Classic+ is trying to get the zoom boys who do WoW now to completely rewire their brains and try and come up with an extension to Classic… on top of paying tons of people for new content… Classic took a few days to find a patch and bring it forward.
And what in the world gives you faith that the very people that have made WoW the EXACT opposite of what you want… can make WoW what you want??? ROFL!!!
It is not negativity… you misunderstand… it is call realism… and it is lacking in many of today’s gamer’s…
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This mentality is - imo - one of the main reasons the mmorpg genre as a whole has stagnated. A lack of willingness in the industry to take risks, innovate on systems already implemented etc…
Going through to tbc will start implementing facets of the game that led to retail. And tbh the only reason I’m personally playing classic is because its a completely different game from retail that goes back to the roots of WoW. If i wanted to play legacy servers for the sake of playing legacy servers I would’ve actually joined the private server community.
Just got different viewpoints 
Because there is no valid argument… the people that want no changes can stay on classic servers while those that want BC move to them… win/win
The one argument they have is it splits the community… to which a normal person with half a brain would respond… um thats a good thing… all the #nochages crew complain about layering… so cutting the community in half would allow Bliz to kill the layering…
As I said… there is no argument… valid or otherwise against TBC.
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