I havent seen a valid argument against TBC. I dont understand how it negatively affects classic? The only two excuses i hear is that flying ruined the game and the really not so smart peope who are like #nochange. I think these are ridiculous arguments. Tbc was great and implemented awesome content and NO i dont want a TBC dedicated server. Dont need to split the pop again.
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To be honest, in an ideal world I would prefer Classic+. However, given that I know Blizzard is utterly incapable of developing good games anymore I would 110% rather have TBC.
I do not trust them to come up with a worthy vanilla follow-up.
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Well, Arena continued the pattern of rewarding nolifers in PvP but thatās really not a problem because it marked an IMPROVEMENT over the system from Vanilla that required 18 hour days 7 days a week to get r14 soā¦
I say bring it on! TBC was nearly perfect in just about every way IMO.
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Omar said that they chose this version because it would be easy to go into TBC. Plus they said they could add new content that was scraped in the original game which would be cool
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Very wise.
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Have both.
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Blood Elves
Flying
Easy summon to dungeon
Catch up gear
Arena
Dailies
Cross-faction shaman/paladin
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Iām not against it as long as itās horizontal instead of vertical progression.
Just make it MORE vanilla content at a Vanilla scale. Or go a completely different way with the expansions.
Or preferably - #nochanges.
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Whats wrong with any if thise things. Only thing i did not like abiut TBC was cross faction shaman and pally just because i thought they didnāt belong there
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I saw a pretty good argument about the Hellfire funnel. TBC had one Starting Zone* Hellfire where the Dark Portal funneled everyone too. Questing was not great at all (competing against your own faction and the PvP faction), Lag was tremendous, and well you couldnt do much about it.
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For the benefit of those with poor reading comprehension, these are all arguments against tbc. Just in case this is lost on anyone.
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This is ridiculous. So basically youād like to force TBC on people who donāt want it. Likely more than half the community. Iām pretty sure the no changers and Classic+ people are both mostly against being forced into TBC.
Do you even know why they made Classic? Because Vanilla private servers were BY FAR the most used. It was the most popular version of the game as far as reverse engineering is concerned. Itās the one version that hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions, refused to let go of.
I donāt think your idea of forcing others to play TBC, after theyāve fought for over a decade to get Classic, really jives all that wellā¦
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if they planned todo tbc I world rather than had it announced now, would literally be no reason to play classic, my class and faction choices would be totally different my end game plans would be different too.
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Cross faction shaman/pally isnt that bad is it?
If it is, take it easy on me, i just happened to really like tanking on my Blood Elf Pally in WotLK.
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- Blood Elves degraded the Horde identity/theme and altered the type of player attracted to the Horde.
- Flying degraded world PvP and the gameās sense of scale/immersion.
- Easy summons degraded the gameās sense of scale/immersion, and are part of the group automation that degraded the gameās emphasis on community and socializing. By the way, I believe the LFG tool was also introduced in TBC (donāt quote me on that).
- Catch-up gear degraded the PvE continuity of the game, which in turn degrades immersion and the sense of a cohesive world.
- Arena led to a host of balancing problems and took focus/resources away from battlegrounds and world PvP.
- Dailies degraded the gameās sense of a cohesive world/immersion.
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This is another way of saying you havent seen an argument you agree with. Theyre all valid. You just dont agree with them. I hate TBC for arenas, flying, shaman/paladins, homogenization, etc
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This does not indicate to me that you will acctually listen to those arguments and see why they are valid.
No it wasnt and the Devs have admitted itā¦
I agree wholeheartedly and the reason why I am taking time to reply to your post.
First Flying. It is the low-hanging fruit. The devs have admitted it was a mistake to include flying into the game. The reason they did it was so that the game could grow vertically. The unintended consequences of flying was that the game literally shrank from a player perspective. When you could just fly over all of that vertical growth. Additionally flying while it did not kill World PvP it was one of those nails in the coffin sort of things.
Some other issues with TBC. Many people did not like the removal of the Honor System. It was long and tedious but replacing it with arenas missed the mark. They could have just added arenas to the honor system as another way to grind out the honor. The honor system was not perfect. And could have used to tuning to make it less of a no-lifer, account sharing grind. But replacing it with arenas was a mistake. In fact Classic has already seen one of those changesā¦ they have updated how and WHEN honor is calculated. You dont have to wait for weekly resets anymore. Meaning this is going to be a much smoother less toxic grind than it was originally.
Vanilla had catch up gear my dudeā¦
Agreed. This started the process of forced log in. Making the game more like a job. Vanilla you logged in because you had things you WANTED to do; not things the game was āforcingā you to do.
The biggest problem that every single expansion has continued to make is Forced Progression. New content should NOT invalidate OLD content just because you leveled up 10 times. I should NOT have been able to go back and solo the games first raid. I have literally solo crafted Thunder Furry 3 times. New expansions should ADD things to the game without effectively removing old things.
Classic+ in my perfect would would be all of the expansions. Yes ALL, tuned down to level 60. No Cata Class changes, just deliver the story and content over again.
This would require changes though. One of the main problems with the current version of the game is the reward system. There are lots of changes that are core to the expansions that would need to be reworked. But that would cost far less money than developing full expansions for Classic.
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They can develop a good shooter but not RPGās anymore.
As long as it was implemented on new servers, leaving those that wish to to continue playing Classic, I see no good reason not to have TBC legacy servers (and even WotLK legacy servers).
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I loved TBC, but I really, REALLY want Blizzard to refresh the Warcraft IP and create new, inspired content written in the style of classics like Warcraft III. I understand TBC fans and support their receiving servers for the version of the game that they love, but Iām concerned about the longevity of these time-locked servers.
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