Arena PVP S1 changes announced

Hmmmmm…

While I’m actually against any changes at all, this probably isn’t a bad change.
It’ll mean less folks in resilience and the better pvp weapons, which is a good thing for world PvP and such.
It should never have been a gateway for easy gear at all, pvp gear should be for the people who actually want to PvP and enjoy it.

If anything this will just bolster raiding.

Reducing the amount of players who participate in PvP and raising the bar for the PvP gear, which means a smaller amount of players in the gear rolling over undergeared players. That’s also if the strange wording doesn’t mean that the top PvPers have to maintain that rating consistently to keep wearing the gear. With this change, even those who want to play and enjoy PvP aren’t necessarily able to get the gear either.

This also won’t bolster raiding. People who are doing PvP for gear are doing it to supplement PvE gearing. And, as I said, there is no option for Enhancement in P1. So we’ll be stuck with a dungeon blue which isn’t even that good for lack of any other choices.

There’s about a 20 wDPS difference between the blue and S1 axe. That’s a pretty large jump, and hence why we wanted it. Warriors, on the other hand, have an option in P1 despite less reliance on a slow, same-speed offhand. Early TBC saw terrible design and itemization as Blizzard flat out didn’t understand how Enhancement worked at this time.

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Your enhance bis offhand drops off last boss in Kara.

Free info!

…the dagger?

The axe…

The main hand, or the 2h?

The 1 handed…

Go look it up on Wowhead. I’ll wait.

Hmm…

Every site but wow head has it as a one hander.

Because they have it in its 2.3 state. Blizzard explicitly changed it and the BS weapons from one handed back to main hand only as they wanted early TBC gearing to be the same in TBCC.

Hence the issue with the PvP change. Other than Glad, there are no epic offhand options for Enhancement.

I’m curious what the sim dps difference is between that blue offhand VS the epics.

And here I am thinking there wasn’t anything they can do to make me not play tbc.

Holy crap, I was wrong. If this change goes live I’m out.

  1. It’s a completely made up BS change that wasn’t in the original tbc or any iteration of retail ever

  2. It serves I don’t even know what purpose

  3. Completely destroys one of the best parts of tbc which is everyone being able to get some decent gear from pvp

  4. It’s not even april 1st

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Well given it’s in beta, we don’t really know. There isn’t a “finished” sim yet. It’s not as big as you’d think, but it also depends heavily on if that sim is accurate or not.

It’s more the issue that we’re losing gear we would normally have had in early TBC, and Blizzard just doesn’t understand that. The funny thing is the lack of offhand options (as there were faster offhands, they were just terrible for Enhancement) was due to Blizzard’s fundamental lack of understanding how Enhancement worked. This was fixed in t5, and early TBC was fixed in 2.3/2.4, but at the time S1 was really all that Shaman had. In 2.4 they even added more options to the new dungeon which was quite helpful.

Ironically, when Blizzard made WW use both weapons (thus incentivizing a slow OH for Warriors), they added a lot more slow OH.

I mean I was guessing 5% and under.

You can still get decent gear from PVP.
If you’re strictly doing arenas for free epix then yea I guess this will take away from that… but if that’s the only reason you’re doing arena’s you wont be much of a loss anyway

With the rating most people will be at, they were looking at literally months to get a glad weapon… so it’s not like this is a huge loss for anyone’s progression anyway

Arena rating doesn’t decay. So not really

As a #Nochanger this type of #SomeChanges are great and prevent arena boosting.

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I honestly think this is just poor wording, it never worked like this before.

5% is a lot of DPS just from a single item.

It’s also a very different system.

Its not gonna matter at all for low rating arena. It will totally matter for high rating arena but guess what? They’ll be able to equip the gear so :man_shrugging: