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No , I donât think you were there in Wotlk but that led to tanks and healers holding their group hostage because LFD didnât give them the dungeon they want and would demand a kick .
If you think leaving after the first boss was bad because No trinket , this is waaaay worse
Firstly we are not in WOTLk. Blizzard is more than capable now to catch this behaviour.
Here is my suggestion that helps everyone :
Vote kick a player - the kicked player should not earn a debuff.
If a toxic player reques - and earn another kick, letâs say 3 kicks. He earn the timer.
If tanks/ any Role are leaving the dungeon - he right away eats the timer. Nothing should change.
Groups kicking should have a cooldown. Every player kicking anyone should have a cooldown. This way kicks are being issued on the most needed ones.
Players getting kicked and warning debuff should have their debuff reset the next day.
I thought of one more point to protect new players : new players need to do a dungeon atleast letâs say 5 times before they fall into the kick threshold.
This way we have given them enough time to understand the dungeon.
Tell me what is wrong with this. Since we are talking about the lowest tier content. This will be great for the community and new players can learn without any stress.
This above suggestion is more inclusive and modern approach toward tackling toxic behaviour.
Toxic person is removed right away.
Good players donât earn debuff
Toxic players will eventually eat the timer.
New players are protected. This will encourage them to learn.
Both side have a middle ground where no side is winning.
Vote kicking is used far too often to harm players, but then groups would have no recourse when botters inevitably start using LFG to level due to lack of it.
Unlike the social contract system. The vote kick is being used correctly as it is based on the majority of players you are currently interacting with. In vanilla, players policed the community, just like the vote kick system.
You mean dictators who would kick anyone that did not adhere to their customs?
Lubba, this hero i am on. I joined classic server when WOTLK was out.
I went and started a DK, and typed in the chat - lets go guys !!
I got insta reported and received a notification.
I logged out and never went back to Classic.
Blizzard can cross check this, just so they know the mentality of dictatorâs.
Is this what you mean by policing?
No one needs to be policed, we all signed the social contract. We donât need you to tell us how it should be. We can judge it for ourselves and take full responsibility.
Your so called Vanilla policing does not favor
New players,
Players who dont know the map,
Players who dont have gear,
Players who die,
Players who ninja pull without knowing the mechanics,
It only serves to the Elites who are pros. That is not how you play low tier content. That is for learning and getting gear so they can move forward.
This person wants to impose their own rules in âfairnessâ and force entire groups to have to play with others that the majority wants removed, because they prefer to be intentionally obtuse to why the system is in place.
Their idea of removing vote to kick is a terrible one.
Removing the deserter debuffâŚterrible.
They pretend like this is hurting new players as an act. Itâs all made up to bolster their own bad ideas.
Thankfully, Blizzard isnât stupid. Theyâre not going back to how it was before the debuff.
If you resort to name-calling, I can easily add you back to the ignore list. Please donât call me âobtuseâ when Iâm engaging with you respectfully in a community discussion.
What Iâm proposing is straightforward, and Iâm not going to accept you repeatedly telling me that the current system works fine. I have multiple threads that show otherwise, and this thread alone is proof that change is needed. How many people have reported this thread?
Feel free to review my suggestion. If you have any ideas on how to improve it, let me know where we can make adjustments.
My proposal still allows for vote kicks, protects players who were wrongfully kicked, safeguards new players, and targets toxic individuals who might abuse the system.
The way you are acting is ridiculous. Youâre refusing to read what people are saying and twisting everything. Youâre the one calling people dictators. Youâre the one pulling drama when you asked all of us how we felt about the system and then turned around and started insulting us, twisting what we said and acting like weâre the worst people in existence while trying to play victim.
So donât come at me as if youâre innocent here.
Then donât post a thread asking for our opinion. Just send your feedback to Blizzard through the in game feedback section.
This. Very much this.