Like most chauvinists, you’re now strawmanning. Obviously, certain ideas are incompatible and having total contradictions leads to disaster. I never said that made sense. I said societies that disfavor tribalism in favor of cooperation from many backgrounds tend to achieve more. My evidence for this is that you can go to the isolated tribes of the world and look at their pathetic technology, and then go to CERN and look at what they are working on and how many different people from different backgrounds contribute and draw your own conclusions.
Lmao…
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Yeah I don’t get it either. Why care about someone elses choice?
Because I’m very insecure of my choice
Have you ever actually played sports? Like actually played, and not just gotten on Madden? Because let me tell you, when you get in that mindset, you do what is best for the team, for the tribe. You work harder, push harder, give all you got so that the team benefits. The people who get cut are the ones that are too weak, and are bringing the tribe down. If you don’t want that to happen to you, you push and give everything you got, to earn your spot.
And, to be frank, you are an idiot if you think that the US military is incompetent. It is a simple fact that the military has been asked to perform tasks for which it is not the best tool for the job, or has been hampered in its tasks by demands of civilian leadership. The job of the military is to seek out the enemy, and crush them. The US Military does this job very, very well, especially when given a free hand, without civilian restrictions about ‘collateral damage’ or ‘hearts and minds’. Police actions? Peacekeeping missions? Nation building? These are roles that the military is ill-suited to undertaking, like trying to do surgery with a broadsword. If the patient dies, it doesn’t mean that the doctor was incompetent, or that the broadsword is a crap tool. It means you were using the wrong tool for the job.
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I hate to break it to you, but there aren’t any societies out there like what you’re describing, except on the most superficial level, when there is enough of a balance between tribes to force them to try and work together.
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I can’t tell if they are a troll or just incredibly ignorant. I started writing out a reply debunking their claims regarding the military and sports teams but realized it was a waste of bandwidth and keystrokes.
wpvp is definitely fun to mess around with and I’m on a realm with wpvp, but competitively it just can’t beat fighting games.
LMAO ok Frank, it’s been 18 years and we couldn’t beat the Taliban. Not incompetent? K. Perspective would be helpful for you. They had no clear plan on what it meant to “win” that war. They had no exit strategy. That’s why we are still there in 2019. The military routinely loses in various internal war games and then tries to cover it up. Look up the Millennium Challenge. Also, I’ll ask you what the point is of a war. Most people say to “destroy the enemy”. To be frank, That is a naive and childish interpretation of the goal of war.
Wars are supposed to have specific goals (when led by competent people), and eventually, you must allow some condition for peace and surrender. It would be pretty silly to set your goal as the total annihilation of another civilization, but if that is your goal, then even then, you ought to take steps to do it. Clearly, that wasn’t the goal of the Afghanistan war. So, if getting Afghanistan to surrender is the goal of the war, why hasn’t it happened yet? Maybe our military actually sucks at fighting wars. Maybe they are just good at killing a few people now and then and making a big show of it, and you’ve been duped into thinking that is the purpose of war.
And if you ever played sports, you would know people get cut/leave the team for a variety of reasons including lack of interest, girls, grades, other sports, jobs, moving away, etc. LOL @ the weak bringing the tribe down. LMAO
You know what the endgame is of this tribal style thinking? Well, there is a lot of elitism and tribalism in modern WoW. The result is everyone excludes everyone and people quit because nobody has any fun anymore or works together anymore. Imagine you have a “tight knit” crew and basically never allow anyone to join. Then attrition will eventually kill your crew. Grats. Nice job.
This is why you need to be open to new people, solutions, ideas, etc.
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I played UO too (see name) but still like PvP severs. 
Indeed Australia has beaten the US using drastically outdated armaments, technology doesn’t overcome incompetence. In fact more complicated technology makes incompetence worse, your training standards are abysmal.
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Again, look at CERN. Then look at some tribe in New Guinea. Yeah. I’m gonna stick with a collaboration of people of many different backgrounds to try to achieve something great rather than a group of isolated people who distrust others. Reason: more people with different ideas and approaches generally leads to better solutions.
To take the sports team analogy a bit further. Imagine you had extreme hazing to the point where you were super chauvinistic in favor of your team (the tribe). Then, that would discourage a lot of people from joining you. If it were really bad to the point where no rational person would want to join you, then natural attrition would kill your team. Sounds like a bad idea. It’s also a bad idea to blindly let everyone play because then your team is only going to be as good as the average of all your people, which will likely make you a really bad team.
You have to be smart about it. A middle ground is possible. You obviously want people who want to be there and are somewhat decent, but you want to be open to new players who can add value to the team. It doesn’t have to be one dumb extreme or another.
How does this apply to WoW classic?
Simple: Make it clear what the game is all about and clear what won’t be changed and what people are getting into, but be welcoming and willing to accept new players.
If you guys are hostile to PVE people, and make it seem like PVP servers are full of scummy people, fewer people will play there. If you make the game miserable for lowbies and new players, fewer people will play there. Eventually, the game will die if the number of new players doesn’t equal or exceed the number that inevitably quit for whatever reason. Even in PVP, you should shoot for a positive experience for both people. PVP can be fun for everyone involved. It doesn’t need to be you ganking lowbies and camping them for 30 min.
There’s nothing wrong with PvE. Some people just want to come home and do their own thing without worrying about whether or not other players will interfere with their goals.
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I don’t find WoW’s PVP particularly interesting so I get my PVP fix in a different game. This means that PVP in WoW is a waste of my time. Hence, I play on PVE servers.
As to why PVPers dump on PVEers? shrug Happens in every game. Whatever.
I fight for my faction because my blood runs blue. If your blood runs red, you’re dead. Yours truly.
Dylansmith, from Herod.
Its not fear. Its annoyance. Its frustration.
Id rather avoid those things while trying to play a game.
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I chose PvE because my job is demanding and I don’t have as much time to play the game as I’d like. I don’t want to spend half my time fighting for no XP, getting corpse camped, or having to go elsewhere because there’s a group of PvPers in the area. I like the occasional wPvP, but not enough to play on a PvP server. Also, I intend to use WSG and AV when they come out.
My favorite part of these discussions is how there’s always some baddie who will call PvP a “minigame”.
I haven’t read the thread but I’m 100% sure someone must have already said it.
Yes. And if you play on a PvE server you’re bad and should feel bad. <3
J/k, some people just aren’t PvP inclined. You couldn’t pay me enough money to pay on a PvE server ever again. I’ve done it before.
The feeling of helpless frustration, watching some random Alliance nobody run up to your mining node and steal it, without having the option to correct them in a violent fashion is just too frustrating. But hey, different strokes and all…
They walk up to members of the other faction they are at war with and /wave.
Cuz, apparently that’s fun…