Exactly.
Whoever buys gold is gonna own anyone else doing GDKP “normally” because they have the advantage.
Again, GDKP never ends. It’s always an arms race over who has the most.
The pot at the end doesn’t mean much, except for spreading around botting gold, which causes GDKP players to salivate because they ONLY care about that money.
It’s just funny to me, a cycle that never ends.
The RMT folks will always be the highest on the GDKP ladder.
It just promotes gold-buying, end of story.
GDKPs are bad and should be banned.
wow a real response, appreciate it. And yea ive seen people get mass reported and get banned for no reason. The worst part is tho blizzard isnt overturning any of these suspensions. Probably doesnt even ever make it to a real person.
This is the official TOS from Blizzard on the Topic. It doesn’t specifically call out GDKP but the advertisement of GDKP could be against TOS in certain situations.
“1. Prohibited Commercial Uses: Exploit, in its entirety or individual components, the Platform for any purpose not expressly authorized by Blizzard, including, without limitation (i) playing the Game(s) at commercial establishments (subject to Section 1.B.v.3.); (ii) gathering in-game currency, items, or resources for sale outside of the Platform or the Game(s); (iii) performing in-game services including, without limitation, account boosting or power-leveling, in exchange for payment; (iv) communicating or facilitating (by text, live audio communications, or otherwise) any commercial advertisement, solicitation or offer through or within the Platform; or (v) organizing, promoting, facilitating, or participating in any event involving wagering on the outcome, or any other aspect of, Blizzard’s Games, whether or not such conduct constitutes gambling under the laws of any applicable jurisdiction, without authorization.”
They are lying and got banned for something else. Hard to believe I know, everyone want to trust their friends. But guess what, your friends can lie to you too.
The problem is blizzard bans gold buyers for 3-7 days which is not a penalty of any sort and it doesnt deter pay to win dads from buying gold, further more they introduce token to wow classic which normalizes gold buying.
There would need to be perma bans or at least a 1+year ban for gold buying to make any form of impact on the wow rmt. But the ugly truth is like majority of mmos WoW is too interested in p2w dad whales paycows, because those are the same people that will pay for multiple account, buy epic editions, store mounts, skins etc.
The fact is that WoW classic has 0integrity and it is just as much of a pay to win game as majority of mmos, even though its acting all high and mighty. The token and paid boost in classic wow is just a matter of time till it makes it into SoD/Classic+.
Blizzard no longer cares about player they care about payers.
Gdkps have almost nothing to do with this, gold buying was prevelent long before gdkps were a thing. Dkps and gdkps are simply the most balanced loot system we have at this point thats why it is most popular.
You could say it incentives gold buying, but so does 100% mounts of crafted items or boost are you gonna remove those too? Classic gold use to be valuable, but nowadays its just a swiper paradise with 0integrity, try to focus on other aspects of the game and ignore the fact that gold has no value and the game has no intergrity against cheaters.
You guys dont have wallets?
against tos, no. frowned upon unless you buy gold, yes
i was on that server (sulfuras) when grizzly made alliances with the horde and then stabbed them in the back right before the turnin by mass reporting the competition.
the whole horde (and i mean the WHOLE HORDE) population converged on tanaris and constantly pulled and kited the dragon that grizzly was trying to turn in the quest to so they diddnt complete it.
btw those who false reported got bans themselves and actioned.
which is what should happen to anyone falsely reporting .
in fact if you do falsely report someone you should instead get what punishment they wouldve or did receive AND have it doubled and doubled again for every subsequent false report.
people like that piss me right off.
GDKP is how some people like to play the game, for sure, and perhaps there are handfuls of naive players that participate genuinely… But it is so obvious why people defend GDKPs. They simply don’t care about the negative effects as long as they get their items or their cut, which is of course sourced from bot farmed gold. They don’t want their gravy train to end, why would they. They are hooked.
It is really simple…bots farm vast amounts of gold and GDKPs transfer the unearned wealth to participants, leaving those who don’t hop on the carousel behind. It breaks immersion, it sidesteps any semblance of a journey, and it it screws the experience for other players. Anyone who spends even a moment evaluating the situation understands this. So it is just clear to me that defenders are either putting their heads in the sand, are unable to understand, or are active participants themselves.
They won’t give it up easily–Boosting, GDKPs, $ for gold–That is how they play the game.
Man people like you should not be able to post on the forums the amount of misinformation and assuming in your post is horendous no suprise you hiding behind lvl 14 rogue.
Read my posts from earlier, the reason why RMT is prevelent has nothing to do with gdkps, the whole reason is Blizzard tolerates cheating and gold buying and punishments are less then a slap on the wrist.
I use to go to gdkps all the time never bough any gold, you saying people are hooked is straight up dumb, people go to gdkps because its the most fair system and you get the highest quality of players. ofcourse there are some bad apples that cheat, but that has been going on long before gdkps were a thing and again falls down on Blizzard making gold buying acceptable.
You claim the vast majority of gold from GDKPs comes from bots, but my experience with them says otherwise. It comes from mages. Mages doing AoE farming (that bots can’t do), hunter/rogues selling DM buffs, Warlocks who made money selling Summons and money accrued by tanks, healer types for running GDKPS over and over.
Of course you are going to occasionally get the “Mysterious buyer” whos gold is suspect, but they often just serve to drive up the price of items without actually getting them.
See While the people in game know their Gold/hour rate and look at a bid in how many hours it would take to farm hat gold gold buyers look at it in dollars and suddenly become gunshy when those digital bits and bobble that are going to be replaced start costing them more then a few bucks.
Is there dirty money in GDKPS sure, but there is also Dirty money in the AH and people tipping for enchants/crafted items.
The thing we should be fighting against isn’t GDKPS because they in and unto themselves are a fine concept, but rather we should be hounding Blizzard to deal with gold buyers, gold sellers and bots.
Bots–>gold buyers–>GDKPs
And participants get their nice cuts and talk about how it’s just the best way to play, very funny.
Again, the whole operation feeds off of gold buying. Handfuls of “legitimate” GDKPs do not solve the problem. That’s just naivety.
Yes, I agree, handle gold buying and selling. But I don’t agree with the premise that GDKPs do not hugely incentivize gold buying. They are a huge driver of the gold buying traffic. To say RMT prevalence has nothing to do with GDKPS is ridiculous. They are PART of the problem. In fact, BOOSTING is in a similar but narrower vein. The gold/GDKP/boosting gravy train is irresistible to some. They are FORCED to defend it, because that has BECOME the game for them. You do not need to even be a gold buyer to benefit. That’s another point I am trying to get across.
Why is boosting as prevalent as it is? Why are people happily paying 5g stockades runs? (don’t fixate on the exact number here, but try to see the big picture) The mages doing the boosting aren’t necessarily gold buyers, but they benefit from the inflated price they can now charge because of the excess gold available. These activities are LINKED extremely closely to RMT and need to be dealt with.
If RMT were impossible, then there would be little issue with GDKPs. But RMT is huge, and they are a symbiotic pairing that screws the game.
No more than AH transactions.
Definitely less than the AH. Anyone who sells Humberts or Thunderbrew or any other high price BOE must know they are getting illegal gold. Meanwhile very few gdkp items go for more than a handful of gold.
Just mass report any gdkp activity like the rest of us. The automated system will do its job. People already posted about being banned for advertising gdkp. I will 1000% always report. They deserve a perma ban if linked to rmt tho.
People who knowingly false report deserve a ban.
First of all I kinda disagree with the theory that longer bans would do anything at all the severity of the punishment is of no use if you don’t think you’re going to get caught.
Second, i kinda don’t care at all about gold buyers. The efforts need to be focused on gold sellers they are the real vermin.
Third, as sort of conclusion on points 1 and 2 focus on prevention, not a ban for X amount of time system, but if an account is found to be selling gold immediately and permanently ban all accounts associated with the same email address, credit card, and ip address (allow appeals for ip address, just to allow for roomate type situations, but only if the accounts involved only share ip, but not email, nor payment)
Lastly WoW token isn’t a thing in SoD so any discussion of it is hypothetical only
I think there is likely a reason these people got banned. 95% of gdkp enjoyers bought or are buying gold. If they got reported for gdkp it’s not a stretch to think they may have been looked at for gold buying and then banned for THAT, as opposed to being banned for simply participating in gdkp.
What you dont understand is there are gold sellers only because there are gold buyers, majority of people would not risk gold buying if that ment losing their accounts permanently.
If you reduce the amount of buyers, gold sellers would just move to a different game that is more profitable.
Gold sellers get banned all the time, but it is too easy to start a new account and get back in matter of hours or less. Banning sellers is a game of whacka-mole the best way to avoid rmt would be perma-banning gold buyers for cheating. But blizzard likes to have these people around, because those are the paycows and whales that every mmo wants in their game.
Please show us an example of a GDKP post that promoted or even remotely discussed RMT. Gold can also be farmed legitimately in game, you do know that right? And if people want to auction off gear in dungeons for that gold, who DF are you to say no?
Your argument can also be applied to the AH. People post Blues on the AH for ridiculously high prices. Yes, some people are tempted to go buy gold to buy those AH Blues, but according to you, anyone spamming to sell a BOE Blue should be banned because that may lead to someone using RMT.
Basically… piss off.