Are casters allowed anything?

for a class that is supposed to be the combination of all the aspects, its sure is lacking in the physical department. Druids have more Versatile construction than the Dracthyr simply by having all roles covered.

aesthetically, a tank would have made sense for a dragon themed race give how nearly every single dragon encounter is tanking a raid of loot thirsty murder hobos. ;D

but to be fair, if Dracthyr eventually get more class options in the future, then the Tanking aesthetic can be covered without it needing to go into the evoker spec. and imo that is the main issue.

but as it stands, Druid is the only Class in the entire game that has a Caster/Tank option

and mail wearers still dont have a tank option. nor Cloth. this creates a Leather Plate divide as the only armor types covered as Tank gear.

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Which is what we are doing.

The other concern with the “later” arguement is Blizz never gives us Roadmaps or Timelines. So when Ion says “Maybe down the road” it not only gives them an out since they never said it would happen, but it could mean 10.2, 11.0, 15.3, or the last patch before the game goes maintence mode.

Fun fact: devastation evoker brings the number of ranged specs back to the same number we had in vanilla.

I’m never tanking and I would like them to have the option, just because more tanks is never a bad thing.

I also fail to see how them having a tank spec takes away from casters.

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I’d say in that same vein, we need some non magic ranged DPS added other than the hunter. Could give us a ranged rogue who uses guns or thrown weapons and favors a ‘constant debuff uptime’ type play and a ranged warrior that throws ‘big heavy and/or sharp thing’ at the enemies, have both in that same ‘mid range’ space as Dracthyr.

But, you’d run into people getting upset by that cause ‘oh they are stealing from xyz’ when it hurts no one to have more options. Though, if they do add in a tank spec to Drac, they need to add a healer spec to DH since that class, too, only has 2 specs.

I don’t think it is as much “take away” as much as this time casters are getting a piece of the “hero” class pie when both hero classes have been tank/melee hybrids. People wanting dracs to have a tank or melee DPS spec can come across as wanting their piece of the hero class pie to be bigger or at least appear bigger when it might bt time to even it out a bit.

If anything, I feel it might takeaway from other aspects of balance or creation, but not necessarily rip from the other specs.

The only thing DF is offering that feels “new” is the class so that is the last thing that should be watered down.

Hey or ye know they could get both…

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Look at it this way: there are those that might, if Drac got a tank or melee DPS spec, woudl be like “haha, tanks/melee DPS are the favored of Blizzard as all hero classes can be that spec, you casters/healer are nothing but second or third class citizens as only one heroc class has a spec that caters to you”.

In truth, I am starting to see Drac as more the special ops race, they might have been made to be the ultimate soldier, but what if the ultimate soldier was one that did not place themselves on the front lines but hung back to increase survival from one fight to the next?

Fair enough.

We certainly don’t need a melee dps spec, but a new tank would be nice for the m+ scene. It’s always the one spec I had trouble finding on pugs when I grinded ksm out.

buff warlock now

i have watched a bit of evokers and they look cool. hope they’re not TOO op or too useless

Never played wizardry?
My dragon class dude just played bard songs, spat acid and then shot arrows when it was a good time to switch him to ranger

Who cares about it being a hero class? The issue is that the whole new race can’t tank/melee. Just giving them the ability to be warriors would have solved the issue for a lot of people.

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Yep keep the hero class out of it and just give us tank classes even just one would alleviate some of the pain till “down the line” possibly gets here.

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You did, with 2 of the Evoker specs.
Adding another spec that isn’t a caster doesn’t take away the existing caster specs of that class.

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No, but if they add it to evoker, it adds a spec/s that have already had 2 “hero” classes given to them, so, at least as far as evoker, requests for a tank and/or melee spec comes across as "we did not have to share Death Knight or Demon hunter with casters/healers, but they have to share evoker with us.

I am more apt to agree to Drac getting a tank class, or another dragon-like race being the physical counter part to the dracthyr.

I actually think adding a tank for a dragon based class makes sense. Also it’s unclear to me why Evokers can’t wear plate lol if they are expected to be close to other party members and swoop in when stuff goes side ways. Why is there a translation loss when it comes to class/spec design?

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Do you mean Dracthyr or do you mean Evoker?

The dragon race Dracthyr, being pigeoned into a single style of gameplay is super irresponsible. It is actually a recipe for disaster that blizzard already experienced when the original BE’s couldn’t be warriors.

If you mean the class Evoker being strictly a castor class, I don’t see that as being a problem.

The issue hear is that Blizzard is trying to blur that distinction when they make certain Evoker skills also be directly tied to Dracthyr esthetics.

In my opinion, I don’t believe letting Dracthyr have a melee class takes anything away from castors. I would take it further and say I believe Blizzard is intentionally being lazy around class/race design in this instance, and will turn off a lot of players if they introduce a race that can’t be melee in a game where at least half the player base prefer Melee.

Imagine if Vulpera could only be rogues. Or imagine orcs that could only be warriors. Does that sound cool and unique and special. No, it sounds lazy.

As far as evoker goes…. Keep it 2 spec and both midrange castors… Just let Dracthyr be warriors, rogues, DK’s, shaman, paladins, or monks. Pretty simple solution if you ask me. At the very least I don’t understand why Dracthyr aren’t Warriors, Rogues, Mages, and Hunters…. Priests too really. I really hope Blizzard doesn’t wait for the entire expansion to end before adding these classes to the Dracthyr… again bad idea and lazy game development.

Or do you genially believe castors are so underserved in this game they should get a whole race to themselves?

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I think demon hunters are pretty bad to the health of the game long term because without illidan they aren’t relevant to lore and warlock tank was killed for their existence.