Are casters allowed anything?

[Greatbrae-dalaran]

@Sarama-firetree

I have no problem with the Evoker class being restricted, but the new race is probably the biggest new feature of the expansion and it’s DOA to a ton of players for no good reason.

Easy fix, blizz gives them more classes at release.

@Rudly-proudmoore

It’s not DOA to them.

Why did you only pick one part of the paragraph of this poster complaining about the fact the new race only has one class, and not that the class itself???

please reread the paragragh;

@Sarama-firetree

Because this is the only time Blizz has added a new race that can’t be melee/tank. I have no problem with the Evoker class being restricted, but the new race is probably the biggest new feature of the expansion and it’s DOA to a ton of players for no good reason.

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@Amarlly-azuremyst

I’m not entirely sure what you’re asking, but if you’re asking if I would want ranged and healer specs if things were reversed then the answer is yes, yes I would, because it is my strong belief that Dragons should have all four roles available.

Then they should get more classes, fixes that issue easy peasy.

@Chïntzy-aerie-peak

This is where you lost me. We absolutely need more tanks… Adding a tank spec would have been good for the game.

More tank specs =/= more tanks, it just means more tank specs to balance.

@Foxhound-fenris

Adding another specialization doesn’t remove anything.

Where have I seen an argument like this before? Have you been in the elf threads???

@Foxhound-fenris

That’s not how this works.

It means they have to add melee biased skills as a class core skill set, which is more things they have to balance. It also means less stuff for a caster focused player.

@Maizou-proudmoore

It’s weird that a literal dragon race can’t be a melee character and the race with hard scales to protect them can’t be a tank.

I doubt there’d be as much animosity if they could be other classes like Monk or Rogue, where people could fulfill their “Dragon who fights with their claws” fantasy.

This is the exact situation we are seeing here. And blizzard should had foreseen this.

@Beaupeep-draka

If they did that, people would then be screaming “See? Dracs can be other things, why can’t other things be DH now?”

Someone haven’t seen the interview of “all races will be all classes eventually” have they?

@Sarama-firetree

The non separation of the Evoker class and Drakthyr is the problem.

If I want to be a BE or NE, DH isn’t my only choice of class.

A big one. They have hands. They can be warriors, rogues or hunters easy. Blue flight powers gives them access to the arcane, they can be mages. green flight gives them power over nature/emerald dream, they can be druids easy. No reason they cannot be other classes.

@Mistwynd-proudmoore

It seems strange to have a race look so suited to melee combat be completely unable to engage in melee.

monk class can help with that…

@Danceypants-benediction

I agree, add a ranged dps DH spec! I want to throw glaives around like chakrams in Outward while blasting stuff with fel magic.

Fel Warden class when?

@Pepino-frostmourne

I think the more we accept 2 specs the more we will see less and less coming in the future.

I’m fine with it if it means we get more specialized baised classes.

I’d be fine with a 2 spec spell blade for an example. Although they could add a 3rd spec to it for healing (because arcane can heal, we just don’t see it in game)

@Shantarin-kelthuzad

Has more to do with how it’s weird that a dragon has no melee spec.

It’s weirder for any race to only be one class…

@Terranox-stonemaul

You see prot paladins also feel worse to play with the avengers shield changes.

The skill won’t reward hp sure, but there is talents to add stuff to it. But this is not the topic for that.

@Wÿvern-stormrage

For all we know they wanted to add the tank spec, but then were like, “nope… too much money.”

Money on the largest budgeted MMO in the world should be a non-issue. Time and personnel, sure, money no.

@Bloodypaws-frostmourne

If Blizzard actually listened to us we’d at least have a tank spec.

Guess they don’t care.

If blizzard had listened to the playerbase dracthyr would have more classes, or evoker would be a transform class like druids and available to all races while deleting dracthyr as a race.

I think the more class one is more possible.

[Rudly-proudmoore]

@Greatbrae-dalaran

Why did you only pick one part of the paragraph of this poster complaining about the fact the new race only has one class, and not that the class itself???

please reread the paragragh;

I read the paragraph and I don’t care about the rest of that because I think pointing out the fact that Dracthyr can only be evoker is pointless. You are not gated from playing Dracthyr just because they are only ranged dps and healer. You play the specs allotted to them or you don’t play them at all. It’s as simple as that.

[Battlemaster-stormrage]

#give paladins shockadin ranged caster 4th spec ty

Also shaman tank

[Terranox-stonemaul (Terranox)]

It takes a bunch of time to make a spec. So it’s unrealistic to expect them to pull one out in an alpha/beta cycle.

They did say if evoker was to get a third spec it would be damage or healing though.

[Bloodypaws-frostmourne]

Then just give em a tank class.

[Greatbrae-dalaran]

So your refusing the class part of the argument.

Your exactly what you where complaining to another poster in this thread is.

Sad, I was enjoying your posting.

@Battlemaster-stormrage

#give paladins shockadin ranged caster 4th spec ty

bolvar: Never! NEEEEVVVERRRR!!!

@Battlemaster-stormrage

Also shaman tank

Sure.

@Bloodypaws-frostmourne

Then just give em a tank class.

They should have had more classes from the get go lol.

[Terranox-stonemaul (Terranox)]

Yes. That is what I want. Drathyr warriors, paladins, monks, dks, druids etc. Warrior at least they could use their father’s scales xD as a weapon.
How morbid.

[Shadina-gorefiend (Shadina)]

Apples and oranges. Blood elves easily learned how to be warriors and are really meant to be spellbreakers.

Dracthyr can easily learn how to become other classes later on. I’m not against them gaining warriors or something. I am against evokers getting a tank spec.

[Rudly-proudmoore]

@Greatbrae-dalaran

So your refusing the class part of the argument.

Your exactly what you where complaining to another poster in this thread is.

Sad, I was enjoying your posting.

1. I don’t care what you were or weren’t enjoying. My opinion on this situation has never changed.

2. There are plenty of things to complain about with Blizzard. Them making a stylistic choice to make the new race only one class isn’t one of them.

If you don’t want to play the ranged DPS/healer class, there are 20+ other races to choose from. I doubt it’s actually that big of a deal.

[Greatbrae-dalaran]

It actually is, because your encouraging blizzard to make more classes/races like it, and it’s not acceptable in these kinds of games. And yes it is a big deal, otherwise the forums wouldn’t be spammed with the topic.

@Rudly-proudmoore

I don’t care what you were or weren’t enjoying. My opinion on this situation has never changed.

Doesn’t mean you should become what you where just complaining about. Doing that is just hypocrisy, and makes your points less valid then they where.

@Shadina-gorefiend

Apples and oranges. Blood elves easily learned how to be warriors and are really meant to be spellbreakers.

Every race should have had warriors from release. No exception.

[Rudly-proudmoore]

@Greatbrae-dalaran

It actually is, because your encouraging blizzard to make more classes/races like it

The only way Blizzard would be encouraged to do this again is if it ends up being a massive success, which would invalidate the many threads the forums are being spammed with. If it ends up failing, Blizzard won’t do it again. That’s why it’s not a big deal. It’s not like there is a precedent that has been set with evokers. We haven’t seen the community’s reception of them yet.

[Greatbrae-dalaran]

@Rudly-proudmoore

We haven’t seen the community’s reception of them yet.

Please tell me you haven’t seen the reception on the forums about the subject for months while saying you haven’t seen the forums reception for months.

(I hate this meme, but it suits here)

[Rudly-proudmoore]

@Greatbrae-dalaran

Please tell me you haven’t seen the reception on the forums about the subject for months while saying you haven’t seen the forums reception for months.

In case you haven’t noticed, the forums are a cesspool of consolidated negativity and make up a fraction of the playerbase. I don’t want to discredit the importance of a forum designed for feedback, but something like a race having only one class will not be determined to be good or bad by the community at large until the entire community has access to the class.

@Greatbrae-dalaran

(I hate this meme, but it suits here)

And you didn’t even do it right. It’s without*, not while.

[Radlok-malfurion]

Outside of the Race/Class restriction, I’d also complain about the armor restriction too. Really the whole combo just seems half lazy.

How are Worgen able to retain their armor, but not the Dracthyr? Same with the classes. Something seems off.

[Greatbrae-dalaran]

@Rudly-proudmoore

In case you haven’t noticed, the forums are a cesspool of consolidated negativity and make up a fraction of the playerbase.

If you know anything about customer service, then you would know this;

Very few people comes to make a complaint about an issue, normally a vocal minority.

For every 1 person that complains vocally, there is 1000 people that also has the same issue but does not vocalize it.

@Rudly-proudmoore

And you didn’t even do it right. It’s without*, not while.

Fair enough, i was in a rush so i will take the L on that.

@Radlok-malfurion

Outside of the Race/Class restriction, I’d also complain about the armor restriction too. Really the whole combo just seems half lazy.

This here. There is 0 reason why they cannot transmog at all.

[Chïntzy-aerie-peak]

@Greatbrae-dalaran

More tank specs =/= more tanks, it just means more tank specs to balance.

Yes and no. A new tank spec could mean more tanks if non tanks try it and love it. Just like the new healer class could mean players trying a new heal spec and loving it. That’s the point, more options. Balance has always been an issue, so lets not pretend one more spec would matter.

[Ventorath-wyrmrest-accord]

@Kaspyn-moon-guard

I also feel it’s perhaps not the best choice of limiting a possible tank spec. Heaven knows we need as many tanks signing up for this role as possible and by limiting this choice

I’m of the opinion that new tank specs don’t significantly increase the amount of people tanking. Tank mains will tank either way. A new spec on a new class just splits up the class distribution a little bit more.

You might be right about losing -some- tanks to the new non-tank class, but I feel it’ll be pretty minor and most people who really want to tank will just treat the new thing as an alt to play with.

@Kaspyn-moon-guard

I’m thinking they’ll throw in a third spec as a bone to entice players to come back/stay once the initial rush of subbing starts to drop.

I think they might add a few standard classes to the race in a patch, because being exclusively evokers is incredibly lame and limits the appeal of a new race very heavily. Being limited, like, say, Lightforged Draenei are limited, is fine. But they took it too far here. If they end up opening a few classes, I’m sure one of those will have a tank spec.

[Rakham-bloodsail-buccaneers]

Eh… this whole class/race seems like a joke. People asked for playable dragons and they got someone’s scaly OC instead. They could have at least given them a standard 3 specs. Maybe a tank maybe a melee? Doesn’t matter but just one more spec would have been nice.

[Debbyfrowner-thrall]

@Rishah-caelestrasz

Like casters finally get our turn at a new class and all the melee and tanks start complaining because apparently ruining any chances of Necromancers existing and stealing a bunch of Warlock abilities so you could get two fancy tank/melee dps hero classes isn’t enough.

New dragon class announced! No melee spec? No tank spec? Criticism well deserved. If they had added a necromancy class people wouldn’t have expected there to be a tank or melee addition

[Kaspyn-moon-guard]

@Ventorath-wyrmrest-accord

I think they might add a few standard classes to the race in a patch, because being exclusively evokers is incredibly lame and limits the appeal of a new race very heavily.

I wholeheartedly agree with this. I personally don’t think I will give up my main (priest) to heal on the Evoker. For me, I will try it and likely play it a bit… then go back to what I like the most. I do hope they will open up a few more classes, though.