Are casters allowed anything?

I’m not opposed, but I don’t care either way. If it happens fine. If it doesn’t, I don’t care because those classes have plenty of options already.

What a hypocrite. You tell people to not throw insults then take the first chance to demean me.

We don’t disagree here. But you may have missed the point I made about how Tera did this and was open and honest that it was due to financial restraints on the design side.

I believe Blizzard has been dishonestly engaging in design meant to “cut costs” rather than design engaging content. The borrowed power system of the last few years, the garrison streamlining crafting attempt, and now the blurring of class/race customizations all feel this way to me.

My point is that for some businesses, especially corporate businesses, the cost of losing a portion of the customer base is worth it if you can cut costs on the other side. The real cost could be the long term integrity of the game, but is worth the sacrifice if you’re only looking for short term gains.

At least you have engaged with that point, no one else has.

Why are you an undead hunter? Why not a gnome hunter? Why not a troll hunter? Do you think that it’s possible other players, probably the whole player base, care about which race they can play as, not just which class. Do you think there’s good reasons why Blizzard keeps expanding access to race/class combos?

If your philosophy is to “let the players play how they want,” and that the only limitation to race/class combinations is cost of development (Shaman, Druids, Paladins, DH all have special assets that must be created first) then can’t you see how introducing a new race and only letting them be one class is problematic?

And if you don’t care, then why comment? Just to be controversial, combative? Why undermine other players who clearly do care? Seems selfish, almost entitled.

Ok, can anyone else see the problem here. Dracthyr don’t have specs. They’re a race. Evoker is a class, that has 2 specs, DPS and Heals. Evoker can stay a class, can stay a “Hero class” and blizzard should give them a third ranged class this is a hybrid heals/dps. Then castors will have the upper hand over those degenerate melee/tank players with 1 extra spec.

Meanwhile, I just want my Dracthyr (race) to be a shaman cuz I want those sweet sweet dragon themed totems. I want a dragon DK so I can cast Breath of Syndragosa, and actually breath frost. I want to have a Paladin dragon, with golden scales, horns, and glowing holy wings.

Again, would this even be a thread if:

You make your Dracthyr Evoker, and then after playing it through to max level, you unlock the ability to make Dracthyr like any other race with some core WoW specs available to them like Warrior, Hunter, Mage, Rogue, Priest. Blizzard gets there “Let’s experiment with a new concept of race/class” Lore snobs get their “but does it make lore since?” Question answered. Ranged victims get their “hero” spec. And the rest of us get to play as dragons how we’d like to.

Honestly, whose hurt?

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I’m pretty sure this forum hates casters considering its hate for things like twitch and streams. Seeing as casters tend to be on those platforms its pretty obvious why people hate casters.

But as a horde player, can your BE only be a DH?

Also, I think this is sad, and lazy by Blizzard too. We’ve had DH though the 4th war and through WoW afterlife… they should have been able to add more races to their ranks by now. IMO.

What a weird thing to say.

As if there were a group of players who refer to themselves as “casters”, and not a group of classes that are casters.

“This is my thing! You have one more thing than I do! If we both get a thing, you still have one more thing than I do!

You asked a question so I commented. Don’t get prissy just because you didn’t like the answer.

I didn’t have a problem with your answer. It just seems weird to fight against a thing you don’t care about.

Fighting against what? You asked if I was opposed to Dracthyr getting to be other classes and I said no. Not sure what your beef is other than the fact I don’t care enough to join your little crusade.

I don’t buy that. WoW is the biggest budgeted MMO in the market. I think it is more possibly bad management/planning. Which wouldn’t be surprising considering Blizzards past.

No beef. Cool we agree Dracthyr should maybe get another class to offset the Evoker being ranged. Evoker can stay heroic and castors get 2 new specs to play with. I may have come across like I was attacking you specifically, and that’s not what I intended.

I think its important to clarify what people’s positions are and then understand what they’re really advocating for. Like this thread’s title seems to advocate for Evoker to remain a purely casting class, but then the first posts seems to imply that Dracthyr should remain a purely casting race.

I wish the best and I think I agree with you for the most part.

We “always” need more tanks :man_shrugging:t3:

I know right? Adding a 3rd spec that can tank would completely invalidate the caster DPS spec, destroy my immersion, and in general make it unplayable.

Leave casters alone, it’s their turn.

How is it the players’ fault that Blizzard finally makes playable dragons, which is cool, the first new caster they have made and then tanks/melee don’t get to participate in dragon coolness? Blizzard SHOULD have made new casters before this.

Yes, they should have, but how is it Blizzard’s fault that players can’t seem to see beyond their own selfish wishes?

The way I see it, hero class wise, tanks and melee got both the last ones added in, it is time for casters to get a piece of that pie. However, I would not disagree with Dracthyr getting a physical counter part, either race (drakonid) or class (warrior) to at least let tanks/melee join in on dragon coolness.

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What’s the big deal about them being hero classes? I’ve always wondered why people care.

For me it is more a case of being more a pinnacle of what the role can be, it also does not help that both DKs and DHs were considered hero classes when released.

As far as now, think of how some might be like “haha, you casters have no hero classes so you are not what blizzard carters to as far as audience”

In short, most likely would not care but there are a few too many idiots that would take things like Evoker (not Dracthyr) getting a tank spec as evidence that Blizzard hates casters and use such to belittle those that prefer to play casters.

Well that’s just… SMH.