The simple solution to all of this was to just disable gems entirely in PVP until you get to level 40 where their weight isnt so huge compared to the gears stats.
Everything else has been normalized well enough. Enchanting isnt making a huge difference.
But currently at 20 you can stack 30 +3 gems and more really. Having 90 extra primary at < lvl 40 is pretty big. Its comparable to getting +1,000 primary stat at end game as a gem.
Your talking logic to one of those wana-b twitch streamers who relies solely on out gearing/premade/exploiting to win in pvp.
Somfas, wont join the 20-29 twink community because he does not want a challenge. He wants to bully undergeared new players, thats his MO. Even in the XP off community website they bag this below average player out because he just wants EZ mode pvp. What a sad existence
on the beta alot of the gear twinks have have hade there stats reduced significantly, they just need to nerf gems and things will be a lot more tolerable.
THIS!
I was there in 29s/19s twinking in original wrath. When they separated the ques I thought it was the best thing in the world! Now finally twinks can go head to head without the poor levelers getting in the way! LOL. The ques went dead. I asked around to all the twinks and they said they werent queing because it âwasnât fun anymoreâ. Basically they were only twinking to take advantage of ungeared levelers. I was soo disappointed in the twink community! There were a few of us that all moved to silvermoon to try to save the community, but it petered out. Their sad blood-lust for the âweakâ was gone.
Keeping these low-life predators from the majority (the good people) has always been a good idea. I was surprised they let this 20 ftp twinking go as long as it did. Separating the parasites from the healthy host is the best way for blizzard to save this dying body. It also forces people like me who were playing the game for free to actually pay for it. 
I donât think Blizzard ever meant for people to keep playing the game for free for years and years. 1-20 is meant as a taste, to see if youâd like to pay for the game. Unfortunately, because blizzard wonât let you post unless your subbed, we donât get their input on this.
Iâve been playing the normal 20s bracket since the merge and its soo much more playable! Although I think standardizing equipment and stats would have solved the parasite problem AND let me keep playing for free!
Iâll agree with others that say end-game sucks. Itâs sucked since Cata/Panda. Which is why I refused to sub for any longer than to find that out each expac. Now that Wrath is out, Iâve subbed and will be enjoying the end game of Wrath. Wrath was the most popular expansion and, as far as Iâm concerned, the most balanced in end game PVP. So I will be leveling some toons and having my fun there! I hope to see some of you GOOD people there! Letâs pray that Wrath Classic stays forever and we never have to re-gear again!!
Good, now can we just re-merge ALL the dang queues so exp off people can play the bracket they like??
So queues pop? I was leveling up an extra character to try this when I got a free copy of shadowlands. But doing shadowlands makes me want to get back into PvP.
Putting 20 FTP accounts in the XP OFF BG bracket is the first step. The only other way this could be justified as a solution would be to add a modifierâŚ
If you are above âxâ level (gems / enchants inc) you get put into the XP OFF Bracket.
You can then âmaxâ your FTP but it wont be much past an actual 20 FTP account.
My level 29 can buy perfectly itemized ilvl 37 gear on the AH.
Blizzard doesnât think about Battlegrounds.
Period.
that solution is simple for sure and it would be great if gems were the only issue but I was being sarcastic trying to get people to understand that there really will never be a simple solution that makes everything fair for everyone. People just need to relax and enjoy the game, the way it is. Adjust. All the great ideas to balance things only causes Blizzard to change the game so often that someone that was BiS and spent millions of gold or tons of time to just regear or whatnot. The idea behind Twinking that drew so many people into it was that you could do the long grind for the .001% droprates and set your alarm every 3 hours to get your dbl AGMs, etc and then you were done, after months of grinding, it was over!!! Log in / Queue up, bam! Now with DragonFlight squishing stats in strange nonuniform ways, another regearing seems imminent. I just with they would make a stand somewhere then never change it. Let the new expansions and gear effect the new levels, if they ever do another level squish, Ima punch myself right in the D^%& and call it
LOLOLOLOL, You if ignorance were gold, you would own the world <3 you have no idea, stay in the truck. Hereâs your sign!
Huh. I have spoken to Somfas on discord and he even invited me to his twink guild on Bleeding Hollow.
I would have stuck around if I hadnât been drawn into classic by my fiance.
He will teach anyone who wants to learn how to twink, how to gear right.
Nice guy, actually.
Touch a nerve did I ? Truth hurts bro.
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Im going to guess you havent tried 20/29 bracket lately.
Sure I agree with you that one of the best parts about twinking was no more hamster wheel.
The problem is +3 gems have the bracket so broken its no longer enjoyable and has ruined it entirely.
Ive twinked since Vanilla basically and the bracket has never been so broken. A frost mage can Nova/CoC and wipe an entire team with a one shot. Im not talking about wiping none twinks. You can Nova/CoC wipe a twinked team with the right buffs.
Its broken. Its not a functioning bracket. Nothing you said applies because the bracket is laughable atm.
This.
All they need to do is to disable gems in pvp under level 40. Nothing has ever been so broken as to be able to double or even triple your primary stat on a piece of gear with gems.
The stam to primary stat ratio for a fairly balanced pvp experience is about 2-1 atm. 2x the stam of your primary stat.
w/ the current state of gemming, we are approaching 2x primary stat of stam which is the exact opposite of balance.
Twinking has never been like this. We are doing 4-5x the damage at level 19 and 29 than in WotLK and health pools are barely higher. Its a bracket only a moron would play longer than it takes the novelty to wear off which should be a day at the most.
nono, I loved all of it, it shows how little you know about me and how people will take a tiny portion of something and make it their main assault. So very wrong on every comment exceptâŚ
I am very below average and Iâm ok with that, it takes all skill levels and playstyles to make this game great. But you are welcome to come hang with us any time brother. I typically donât goto the communities outside mine for that reason, yes, there are MANY MANY people, like you, that donât agree with my playstyle and judge me without really spending enough time with me, not trolling me, to get to know me beyond the game and they are usually toxic and Iâm WAY too old to put myself in that environment but I will prolly join the one I was invited to and see if itâs chill. The majority of people in the game are decent people, itâs the select few that are overboard with their judgements of others playstyles that make for a bad experience. More than getting 1-shot by some twink, new players are turned off by the toxic comments rude players make in chat or pst. Hence why Blizzard implemented the social contract and I pray they stay strong with that too.
Yeah, I agree that itâs in one of the most broken places where if you donât run fotms itâs gg. And the grind I was talking about was back in the day for an example, yeah Iâve been in the 20-29s and you are absolutely right about the gemming also. There are some really broken 1 shots like MMs AS or Destro CB but also some fast kills on Arcane with the branch 100 int on top of the spellfire set bonus, they end up with nearly 400 SP lollz. Not to mention Surv still and yes, the stats are getting decreased it seems in the beta and yet the gems remain +3 and the procs and use items retain their high numbers⌠So, I guess, If I want to still twink and compete somewhat, Ima have to try and find some water to fight fire with or play max in DF or go WotLK? But hey, at least we have choices now The struggle is real, lots of love <3
âPlaystyleâ is synonymous with exploiting now?
Your logic is definitely flawed.
itâs funny how you say that using a debuff that BLIZZARD placed in the game INTENDED to reduce xp gain , to indeed reduce xp gain, is an exploit. not locked, but REDUCED. Yet ⌠nm, this topic is done. GG youâre right, Iâm the flawed one Peace and <3. Someone pls burn this thread and move on to DragonFlight!! Woot, canât wait:)
Tell me how anyone acting solo can gain the XP Reduced DEBUFF in XP on BGs without help from others and exploiting a bug.
Because I donât recall the xp eliminator offering a âgo into XP on BG with reduced XP gains optionâ.
Face it Somfas. Your a cheat. Nothing else. Your the equivalent of that guy putting lead weights into fish.