On this point, believe Rexxar uses a variant of the male Kul’tiran rig, so could see it and the female one being used for Mok’nathal.
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And that’s okay. Sorry if I was being obnoxious. It wasn’t my intent. I just can’t see the difference and you do. So yes, we are at an impasse. It’s all good.
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What happened is… essentially nothing. Like it or not but none of these things were a precedence, but rather just the logical conclusion of how to add another race:
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Each faction gets a new race
Oh-kay, cool. This was a selling point before we had neutral races and before Allied Races were even as much as a concept. But we also had no real concept of a neutral or “allied” race in WoW prior to Mists of Pandaria and Legion respectively. -
Each race has a unique skeleton
In all honesty, I kinda doubt that was a precedence back in the day. And I say this because most of the skeletons we see in the game from Goblins and Worgens, they have been around in-game for as long as the game has been around. Yes there are some changes but they were clearly made simply because when they made the game for launch in vanilla and those rigs and models weren’t designed with equippable gear in mind, but they are still clearly based off of them. -
Their own starting zone
Sure, and new races still get story-specific starting zones according to their races. This wasn’t a “precedence”, this was literally just the logical conclusion of “where do they start their journey at?” so of course each race has a starting zone.
None of these things are precedence but rather just the logical conclusion to make sense of them. We have Allied races now that can expand far further into the depths of each race we encounter, and we still get races that are specific to the ongoing storyline - regardless of whether they are Pandaren, Drac’thyr, or Allied Races.
They can make new skeletons and models but… this idea that they “can’t” is beyond ridiculous. There’s no precedence and there’s no reason they can’t, but it also makes very little sense to creating something which would put the created character as far away as possible from what is current content. That just doesn’t make any sense, so this is hardly surprising, confusing, illogical, or anything else like that.
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I think I know you from somewhere. o.o Familiar name! But yes, I am stuck weeping in the corner while everyone views my neck stitch
Just to clarify, something either sets a precedent, or has precedence. It’s the root word of precede. As in, came before. English Common Law uses precedent to ensure justice meaning - if there’s a standing ruling on an issue, that should be applied broadly. Rather than being a one-off. It’s why judges want to rule narrowly.
By this definition, the precedent was set to continue with a faction-specific (Apparently I have to also say unique because this is GD) new race. Pandaria broke that precedent and I suppose Dragonflight established a new precedent.
But none of that really matters - I’m asking if they can do a TBC/Cata launch.
Yah’ I thought it looked odd but I couldn’t figure out in my head as to why. Now I know though so thanks!
Point is still that there wasn’t a precedent set. Circumstances meant that the easiest way of adding a new race was to expand the number of factions available. During Pandaria they thought of a way to create a new neutral faction by simply moving the faction decision for pandaren to the Wandering Isle.
There wasn’t a precedent set because nothing had been set. Random circumstances doesn’t create precedence but rather the specific either natural or purposefully chosen choice is what creates precedence. Point is that nothing has been broken just expanded upon.
If you had started with that then the answer would’ve been a firm “no”. Because as I pointed out, why would characters start the game so massively far away from the content that folks are actively playing the game for? The only folks who would benefit from a new race and starting zone are essentially folks who do nothing but create new alts to level.
To which the honest answer is that … Allied Races fulfill the exact same benefit, namely options and diversity of choice. So effectively the answer, if reframing your thread, to this question the answer is … no. Or rather, they can … but it would be enormously stupid. But that’s also why for a good chunk of players, classic exists where this is available. I can’t for the life of me imagine that there’s many alt-levellers left on retail simply because the gameplay for retail is built around an endgame but for people who level as their primary activity … the endgame is quite literally as far away as one can get from the activity one wants to participate in.
So… no. They effectively can’t do a TBC/Cataclysm styled expansion and/or levelling experience anymore. Much to the benefit of retail’s overall health, and for those who want that still Classic does in fact exist.
It’s the subject of the original post.
There was. That’s what precedent means. George Washington leaving office after his second term set a precedent.
They didn’t create a neutral faction.
To be fair, your title is worried they can’t make new race models, which they have for some time. And then you go on to describe that you think something is wrong and preventing new skeletons and starting zones from being created, when there have been new skeletons and starting zones. So the post is a bit all over the place.
Also from your original post that I know we all covered, but still throws off everything: Dracthyr aren’t Worgen, Zandalari aren’t Nelfs, KT aren’t Ogres. Thereby, throwing off conversations and the actual topic you wanted to talk about.
The Pandaren are, in fact, a neutral faction. Both Horde and Alliance work with the Pandaren. When you originally began on Wandering Isle, you were simply a Pandaren and you didn’t choose Horde or Alliance until the end of the starter zone.
This was the original character creation screen for Pandaren. Notice how they were not split up between Horde and Alliance back then:
And then at the end of the starter zone, this is the screen you were given:
Ogre for Horde and Naga for Alliance. The multi-armed humanoid Naga we saw in the previews and two headed Ogre. Murlocs for both. Unique rigs for all three, unique attack animations, unique dance, their own starting zones. Let’s see it Blizz.
Yes fair point, if you only read the subject line then you’re probably very confused. I’d recommend those people read the body of the post.
Usually go by the name Dezere, so maybe? if so, nice to see ya whomstever it is!
To be fair to Zandalari, the devs already had the foundation done for them when the Zandalari trolls appeared back in MoP. They look remarkably similar to what we have as a playable race now, though their faces and other things were obviously improved.
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The original story had political narrative. Today, the faction conflict seems dead. I don’t think it is returning. Even in BFA, the new races added little to any faction conflict and it was more of an afterthought.
For race specific quests? They haven’t followed this much past Vanilla. There were faction quests and class quests but outside of heritage and starting zones, not much is racial anymore. Even the clearing of blight from under city could be done by Alliance and the Horde will help with Gilneas.
Roleplay is not something blizzard has ever really facilitated. It is player made content. People were roleplaying mechagnomes, dragons and werewolves long before those races were added to the game. It didn’t diminish anything within the roleplay but it is nice they have new cosmetics to support that now. But the majority of players do not seem to roleplay in the game.
Blizzard could give new races an actual gameplay purpose. I don’t see them doing it. I would prefer new specializations and/or new classes.
When the game launched, the Forbidden Reach was only accessible to Dracthyr with a bespoke starter campaign. The zone was only made available to other players in 10.0.7 and they do not have access to the Dracthyr starting campaign.
So yea, Dracthyr got a unique starting zone experience. Sure some would argue… those people like to be wrong I guess.
Source for this?
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the forums are very un-reliable as a source for pretty much anything. looking past that, check the dates on those posts. that was posted months before Dragonflight even released. it wouldn’t have even been on the ptr at that point, and even if df was on the ptr, Dracthyr were left out until the very end a couple days before df pre patch launched officially on live servers, and were only on there for like an hour or 2 before they removed it., which once again, was well after that post was made.
the only thing we had at the time was pictures of the Dracthyr, and maybe the Overveiw from blizz which only showed like 3 spells (like Deep Breath and Fire breath, which were new animations anyway) we would have been missing most of the animations for the dragon form when that post was made.
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Oh… well I guess if random forum poster on the internet said it, it must be true.
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well we’re both random posters, but what we’re saying the opposite of that other thread! how could that be possible!?
could it be…maybe sometimes strangers are wrong?? inconceivable!
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If he said his Mom told him, that would carry more weight with me… cuz like… he knows his Mom…
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