I mean even the nature of the arguments are the same “Culture and Community” vs “Convenience and productivity”
I was reading an article about the recent return to office mandates and as I was reading it, I kept wondering where I heard this all before. It wasn’t until someone suggested something along the lines of
“Why don’t we let those people that want to return to the office do so and those that want to continue to work remotely can do that”
And the response was:
“No, if we allowed that too many people would choose to work remotely”
At that point it clicked for me. It’s almost the same set of arguments. I’m interested to see how it all works out.
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Cons of Working in an office:
- Environmental Impact
- Cost of Commuting
- Not getting paid for your commute
- Leasing of buildings in cities, requiring parking lots and other services just to have a building with people inside.
People working in the office complaining that people working from home is unfair are just people being crabs in a bucket.
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I don’t disagree, but the people for working in the office talk about ease of collaboration, building relationships outside work etc etc.
Basically, the same arguments for no-lfd. Forcing people to interaction is supposedly better.
EDIT: but we have lots of threads on that discussion, I’m just interested in the parallels and how many people take one side in one issue and another side in the other issue since they seem so closely tied.
Eh, it really depends on the business. I imagine there are some companies who benefit from in-person collaboration, and other companies who would benefit from remote collaboration.
For instance, I work for a software company, and its much easier to have more productive meetings working from home. If we have a question about what some feature does, I can pull up the code and research that while the conversation continues, and when I find the answer, we can circle back in the same meeting and discuss with the new information. If we we’re in person, I would need to take notes on what to look up, and then schedule a new meeting once I found out what happened.
I’d imagine there are some businesses where being in the same room would be more beneficial.
Probably not a one-size-fits-all thing, ya know. But probably WFH fits more often than not.
Everyone involved in the discussion was a dev working in the software industry. Obviously, a plumber cannot be remote (yet).
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Many companies have reported higher profits, increased productivity, and happier employees as a result of WFH.
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With Covid, we went WFH. Sometime in late 2021, the company decided people needed to come back to the office at least twice a week. I helped write the tool to calculate KPI Metrics based off of time logs, and showed that we got more work done during the WFH year compared to other years.
My management agreed, his didn’t.
They finally yielded to let us WFH when they decided they could sell the building. So now WFH is the only option xD.
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And yet there are people (not just at the top level, but rank and file) that are defending the return to office mandate for “culture and community” reasons.
There are lots and lots of polls that show people are better able to consume game content with LFD but people argue against that for “culture and community” reasons.
That’s the parallel I’ve seen. Should be interesting if people are generally on the same side or if there are those that take opposing views and why.
If you boil them both down to their base both arguments revolve around people who are well equipped for social interactions vs people who are ill equipped.
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Those people just want to push others down and oppress them. Theres a cetain psychological control and dominance employers can assert over the minds and hearts of their employees by forcing them into the office. Its totally a control thing, nothing more.
You’re right. They arent unlike the anti-LFD people. They just want to see others down, its not really about “the community”, its simply so that they can get a leg up on everyone else who would otherwise rely on LFD in order to keep up. Its about control, psychological superiority, and dominance.
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Psh, I wanna RDF while I am working at the office!
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Pretty far strech of a comparison. How about the parallel to lfd and work being you have no choice but to work at a job and with the people picked by the govt. vs choose where you work and with whom.
I don’t understand why more business don’t realize this point. Even if you still need a certain number of people to come in periodically, you can downsize to a smaller building and have people rotate days so not everyone is in the building at the same time. Which lets you fit more people into the same space. It’s not going to work perfectly for everyone, but plenty of companies can cut some huge costs this way.
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I think they do, but you have to understand most business’ don’t own the buildings they are in. I mean you can counter they could save on “leasing costs” which is true but most CEOs of companies are also on the boards of commercial real estate holding companies and they profit from leasing commercial space.
None of this is really about anything other than money. Not money for you or me, money for the guy at the top at the expense of everyone else.
But people have leveraged the same claims against blizzard that the no-RDF is so they can make more money selling paid boosts and server transfers.
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Blizzard axed rdf because they want $ from paid boosts, simple as that. They dont want people leveling alts, they want us to buy them (along with buying additional account subscriptions if need be).
Any BS about “community” or whatever is just that… BS.
Hard to compare to the “anti-rdf folks” on the forums because that’s just one person on multiple characters pretending to be a “group” of people.
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Return to office is because on a workforce scale produtivity has declined while invidual contribution went up. What this boils down to is for most jobs its harder to function as a team with a unified goal, while working fine on indepdent projects that don’t always mesh well with team goals. On top of that it is harder to justify why a team needs to be a certain size vs a smaller team, because its harder to justify headcounts when those heads arn’t in the office. Overall return to the office makes perfect sense, and why people thought this would be the new normal is beyond me. Honestly I’ll be quite happy when I get to return to the office, because WFH for the last 2 years has really screwed up the work/home balance as its just expected i can piviot to work at any time for any reason, while at the same time my wife wonders why if im home im not helping with housework more during the work day.
All I know is I support positive freedom, not negative freedom. You are free to not use any random grouping system if you choose, but preventing others from doing so because of some nebulous “social” excuse that has no provable negative side effects is authoritarian.
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People are pretty split on this. Ive heard you’re argument from many people, and likewise ive heard the opposite from many people. Everyone is different and it depends on the individual and the industry; some perform better from home, some perform better remotely.
Im lucky at my job, they leave it up to the individual employee. Around 80% of us have chosen to stay working from home and 20% has chosen to come back into office. So far, things are going extremely well.
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A lot also depends on your commute distance & normal traffic density while doing so. Extrovert vs Introvert personalities also play a factor, as well as your innate work ethic & ability to focus on what you should be focusing on during work hours. I started working from home full time back in 2018, & will NEVER return to a full-time in-office environment, or drive 70-80 miles per day round-trip during prime commute hours. NOPE.
I don’t have a problem with RDF in 2022 WoW Classic (unlike back in the original days) because the “server community” in Classic is already a dumpster-fire without RDF. Times have changed & the cheaters/exploiters/boosters/bots have taken over the broader game - and Blizzard won’t perma-ban them because they will lose to much $$$.
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SO what you are saying these people should go on a list. Low empathy people, destroying society since 30k BC.