Honestly, if you’re campaigning to have m+ deincentived or outright removed, then you’re just a wow Karen. That’s the same mindset as some busybody with a $300 haircut calling cops on kids playing basketball because they look “suspicious”. That’s a smooth brain, micro junk position to have.
Just don’t do it. You don’t like m+? Don’t do it. But don’t campaign to have something people love taken away because you don’t want to see it next to your all white neighborhood. You don’t like the taco truck? Don’t eat there. Simplest solution in the world.
Instead, you want to poop all over something people love, and you can’t even come with your own personal issues because you know how stupid and pretty they sound, so instead it’s “for the good of game”, “for the purity of the game”. You know who uses those arguments right? You know what you sound like? I don’t have to say it, deep down you know this position is nothing but hatred and jealousy and you wanting to be able to gatekeep your neighborhood.
Personally, I don’t usually blast people for opinions. We can disagree and still be friends. But as soon as you want to take something away from someone else because you don’t like it, you go right in the bag with every other kind of hypocritical monster.
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Hard to ignore when M+ is the easiest and fastest source of top-end gear in the game.
How much of the 278 gear currently in the game do you think came from m+? 95%? 99%?
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The difference here is that it’s actually toxic and detrimental to the game. So no it’s not just saying I don’t like it I want it removed it’s saying this has poisoned the entire design process of the game and is cancer that needs to be removed before it fully kills the host.
There is a difference between saying I just don’t like this and think it should be taken away and saying I feel that this has almost single-handedly been responsible for turning this game away from what made it great years ago and if it continues it will actually kill the game.
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I don’t do them often . When I do it’s with my guild and it is fun.
This what I can’t understand. How people can stand just plugging and not do content with regular guild groups or a group of friends.
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Trash is often the fun part for me. Bosses in raids often involves following a script laid out by Method or Limit. Bosses that are more hectic / less scripted are often called “a mess”.
Eh. Not saying I hate the raids, but I can’t chew on raids the way I can chew on M+.
Imagine saying you “must” do M+ in a patch where the only form of power that matters is tier. You must raid or die, and nothing else. Raiding is the only power that matters.
Imagine saying you must do M+ when World First guilds largely ignored M+ in favor of hundreds and hundreds of split runs, because only tier mattered.
You and Argorwal are a flawed, broken record. No one cares about 278 gear. No one cares. NO ONE CARES.
Tier is the only thing that matters. Lol.
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That is just your opinion, and it is a poorly formed and inaccurate one.
Incorrect I think the poorly formed and inaccurate opinion is that this sort of thing is actually good for an RPG. The game did a lot better before it had this nonsense that is essentially a proven fact
It’s no more “bad for the game” than a brown family moving into an all white neighborhood.
This isn’t about the purity of the game, this is about control. Just like every other social issue in the history of the world. You don’t like those uppity solo players being able to get good gear. They should have to beg at the door of organized raiding so that you can choose who to bless and who has to stay cold and hungry, because let’s face it: having anything is only fun if other don’t.
M+ is great for the game. 10 times as much participation as raiding, just like Brewa pointed out. People love it and you can’t stand that so you have to trash it. It says more about you than anything else.
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OK. So about 15-16 of my roughly 25 member guild would immediately quit the game if m+ was removed. This is not an uncommon opinion.
But you’re right, it would be way ‘better for the game’ if the endgame was just world quests and reading story text.
Get a grip.
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Then what did you do before mythic+ was a thing? It is relatively new after all. This game had 10 years or so doing just fine and breaking all video game records without having that content so…
We played less. In WoD, we basically raid logged because there was almost nothing else to do.
Now, we play together almost every night doing keys of whatever level people have and want to do.
You’re arguing in bad faith so there is no point talking to you anymore.
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I quit.
I played WoW from Vanilla through WOTLK as a PvPer who raided on the side for phat PvP loots, and when PvP went to 
in WOTLK I basically stopped playing the game entirely.
M+ is basically the only thing keeping me in the game, and I raid mostly because raiding has stuff I want for M+. Granted, I actually do dig the raids to a degree but they are absolutely positively not enough to keep me playing on their own.
I raided like six nights a week in WoD because it was the only thing to do, then got burnt out and took a break until Legion. If WoW ever went back to that system, I would just drop the game and never look back.
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I did it in Legion because I was still raiding and M+ was another source of power but once I quit raiding I never stepped foot in M+ again, I hate timed content 
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PreLegion raiding, the glory days.
cringe
Imagine lapping praise on a game because you don’t want to play it. The actual 3head logic of it. Insane.
I think you’re confused if that’s what you got from my statement.
“The game was better when I didn’t feel motivated to play it”.
How else should I interpret someone saying they liked WoD?
Ah I’m among a fellow master craftsman, whipping up quotes out of thin air 
I shall explain!
What you guys see as “nothing to do” was the freedom to do what I wanted 
If the only thing to do at max level was raid then I’d have time to do other things I enjoyed in game. When there are chores and tedious tasks to do then I have less time to do what I want to do. So yes when there was nothing to do is the best time
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I’m still bewildered anyone can not like M+. It’s basically the best system we’ve ever had for dungeons.
Are we gonna pretend anyone ever ran dungeons after the first 1-2 weeks of an expansion after they had heroic/mythic, and they weren’t just wasted development time?
Are we gonna pretend dungeons haven’t always been “gogogo” fests? Did anyone here play Wrath? Or any expansion after? The same people complaining here about the “rush” in dungeons would be whining about having to CC mobs and interrupt casters during pre-nerf cata dungeons. Yes, the “fun” of having to sit and pull mobs one by one, who have no abilities and just wail on the party. So awesome.
Are we gonna complain about the “timer” even though literally every single activity in WoW has a timer. Raid bosses enrages, battleground timers? Just… ignore it, Lmao? You don’t need to time it to get gear. Still fills the vault. Run your own key. Make some damn friends, holy hell. It’s an MMO. Find people to play with.
The so-called toxicity everyone loves to harp on disappears the instant you have a group or guild to play with. And people on here are attributing the general wow playerbase shenanigans to M+. Sorry to burst the bubble, but the WoW dungeons population has always been full of toxic turds that do random dumb crap for no reason.
99% of people complaining about M+ would find the experience infinitely better if they learned to play their class well. They’d time keys, their performance would stand out, they’d have people adding them to run more keys with.
The other 1% being raiders whining about M+ for… some reason? It’s literally bite-sized raid content? Trash, boss, trash, boss. M+ trash is 100x better than Raid trash. It’s fun learning routes, and how to optimize your play to top the meters.
Don’t like it, don’t do it. That easy. Don’t complain about others participating in a fun system and getting decent rewards because you’re bent out of shape for some immature reason.
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“Nothing is worth doing and nothing matters, therefore I’m free to log off the game.”
Lol. Again, 3head take. You can just… stop. If you want to take a break or not do something… just take your break. It’s that simple. You don’t need WoW to force you to stop by not having stuff to do.
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