What sort of problems
Easy.
Donât Roleplay an elf. Embrace how the Horde isnât perfectly good in every way like the Alliance and be #savage
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Iâm not sure why the OP singles out blood elves for this. Are they more morally upstanding because theyâre elves?
The real question is why are the Tauren still sticking around. Theyâre probably the Horde race with the least amount of baggage.
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I like the Pandaria campaign because as a standalone battle, without taking a look at events before or after it. Both factions are the same. The Alliance and the Horde are equally guilty of invading a neutral territory, conscripting Pandaren citizens, and defiling the land. Before scurrying off to bickwr with each other somewhere else.
And that point was always a major aspect of Mystâs story because she watched that from the perspective of a Sinâdorei who was already on Pandaria before the mists fell learning to be a fistweaver. So she fought alongside the native born Pandaren against both factions and saw neither side as better then the other.
They both really were two warring children with a new playroom to destroy.
And then Garrosh plopped a sha heart in the most sacred vale in Pandaria and both factions were all peace out broheims. We going to siege orgrimmar now. And just left the Pandaren to clean up the mess.
It makes MoP my consistent favorite expansion because both of them were essentiallyâŚeven.
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My personal theory is that theyâre only still a thing because tradition, and because just letting them fade to black wouldnât go over well. But there really is no logic behind their continued support and presenceâthere have been so, so many moments where youâd think they would collectively nope themselves off the stage anyway.
(And before someone trots out âyou just hate horde/taurenâ, I was a tauren main for a decade or more.)
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I imagine its because out of all the races, maybe second to forsaken, they were the culture closest to being wiped out. Then, combine that with them being the least expansionist race, they gain the most by continuing to stay tethered to horde.
Plus old promises and all that.
Being the calmest, most level headed members of the horde, they can probably also see the good in the horde more easier while ignoring the more problematic leadership
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I would say there is a difference between one group of people in power taking action and a whole race condoning said action. KaelâThas and magisters were behind the decision to enslave the naaru and send it back to Silvermoon. Not sure every cheese vendor and barmaid in town was aware of it or running around cheering for the idea while looking for their own little pet naaru to lock away in the basement.
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The tauren are pretty ingrained in the creation of the horde
They introduced and fostered the re-introduction of shamanism for the orcs, allowing them to reclaim a piece of their culture stolen from the orcs by demons
And the orcs and trolls helped them fight back the centaurs, which netted the tauren their first stable homeland, since they were roaming nomads before thunderbluff
Sorta like âweve been in the horde longer than sylvanas has been crazy. We ainât movingâ
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I want to point out the numerous, spectacular ways those gestures and bonds of trust have been violated but I have a pretty good idea where that discourse will go.
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How so? About the strongest blow to the relationship between orcs and tauren was hellscream killing cairne
But that was grimtotem bizzz
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what about one (two?) of the warchiefs of the Horde being brutal about being âparticipate or goâ and âgoâ meant death a lot of the time
The tauren are rooted far deeper than any sort of crappy temporary leadership and bad writing
Like they were doomed to be rendered extinct by centaurs and they crafted the horde on equal footing with everyone else. They personally know the stakes and the benefits of having a home, and how important that home is to those who need it to survive
They were dragged into conflicts no more or less than any other race in either faction
Garrosh is dead and sylvannas is gone, and the tauren are still chugging along. Doin their own thing
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god i just keep typing and deleting
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i just hate talking about the Horde and i know Blizzardâs the one at the reins but god damn
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Id suggest we talk about the alliances various races, alliances, and interactions but i cant make criticisms about blue plot without it being seen as an attack and having all my posts flagged so ill refrain
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i mean you donât really avoid taking jabs at people so it sounds like a personal problem
anyways the best way to write the Horde would be to either have Blizzard set up some real infrastructure changes that have the right characters shake out all the unreliable cogs in that particular machine so the chances of not-good Horde shenanigans happening ever again are minimized to OLD GOD/IâM CRAZY NOW corruption or someone being disgustingly charismatic
or the Horde as a formal entity is dissolved and the nations all live more independently but still have alliances with one another (if they so choose) as well as being open to relations with the Alliance itself
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Funnily enough, the through-line of the hordes bfa plot was exactly what you described. Characters gathering, declaring the current state of the horde bad, and shaking out the causes
The storyline even ended with sylvannas being outed, and her control over the horde dissipated (even the forsaken, her former cult of personality, giving up and abandoning her)
Who knows where it will go (somewhere mediocre likely) but its pretty much what you wanted done
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what i want is the factions to soft dissolve in that theyâre still allies (including some crossover stuff) but all the various races and nations turn a bit introspective and tend to themselves and their people and their lands after X many years of wars and conflicts
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I think that would be really good. Maybe focus more on personal conflict or disagreements over whole factions
Like if the gnomes and goblins worked/bickered together while building a joint techno city
The forsaken made a new bid to reintegrate with their human families without sylvannas watching over them
Tauren and nightelves pooled their resources together to build a new home and start healing the emerald dream
Various flavors of orcs and humans threw out olive branches
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