Oh man, thank you for such a detailed response, it really brough clarification.
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It would be easier to list what the horde has yet not done to be hated.
But actually … they have litereally crossed off everything from the “doing the worst imaginable things”-Bingo.
I would have said eating a baby … but not even sure about that in terms of forsaken.
But we have had Slavery, Genocide, Conquest, Rallying up and killing civillians and children, using people as target dummies, burrying people alive, experimenting on them for biological weaponry and so on … the list grows and grows.
Oh, you mean stuff that Alliance also commited? (including Night elves).
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name them.
Does it invole “Muuh but taurjo!!!”? Apologistic bahaviour like this is old.
The alliance has not burried poeple in southshore and turned them into slimes.
They have not rallied up orc children and killed them, also not in Taurjo.
They have never burned a horde city to the ground. They have had no slaves (Internation camps are not slave camps, using prisonors of war for labour is actually even allowed by the geneva convention).
But it is tireing.
ou whole question is basically either baiting a “Bu…bubut Taurjo!!111” or you are just in complete denial for what your faction has done … not even one frecking expension ago.
This apologistic bahaviour is disgusting. Your faction consists of literal na*is. Have done the worst imaginable atrocities one can imagine … EVERY SINGLE ONE of them.
Well you’re not really helping with that attitude.
But here is the list.
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The very place you log in in BfA was taken away from natives, Humans genocided Drust and took over their lands. They’re pretty much extinct nation as there are only like 3 of them remaining. And the fault was that Drust didn’t want to share their lands with Gilnean colonialists.
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Alliance that commited on Amani trolls to conquest their lands, they Teldrassiled them way sooner than Horde did that to nelves. Same reason, Trolls wanted to take back their lands from elves who invaded them and humans saw opportiunity in it. They lured trolls to trap, burned them alive and then hunted down the survivors “like a game” and then took over the rest of the troll territories.
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Night elves wiping out Shatterspear tribe, the quest was to slay every troll in the valley - na matter if it was elder or a child. You could say that it’s ok because trolls attacked first, but trolls attacked soldiers. And justifying genocide because of that is like justifying Teldrassil because Nelves and Alliance were attacking goblins in Silithus.
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Dwarves wiping out the Stonespire Tauren tribe in Barrens so they could open up a digsite.
- Dwarves targeting Frostmane kids for beginning quest. And we learn that said kids are scared too.
They were slavers. Kul’Tirans also had a reputation of slavers but they were whitewashed in their own questing experience.
And if you don’t count Humans for some reason then Dark Iron dwarves have plenty of them.
And Alliance were forcing Pandaren in Jade forest to labor.
What also Alliance did? They used molten giants on shoppers.
They sent goblins directly to the void for giggles.
In the newest book they were void torturing the captives for interrogation.
I could go on and on. Just because Horde is painted as morally black doesn’t sweep Alliance faults under the rug.
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Wrong. Arathi and qt, not the alliance
Again, wrong, done by gilneas- colonialist 2000 years ago.
Rest is mostly correct
Do we need another faction debate?
All discussion be troll discussion.
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If this is true, I’m mad.
For the price of Rezan? this is wrong.
It’s bad. Simply as that.
Same for me. Trolls are used as punshing backs sure, but it gets old. My interest for the lore is already so low, it’s almost “dead”. This is simply shoveling the grave.
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Exactly my thoughts. Looks like I’ll be out of SL. I don’t want to lose Rezan, not like that. I’d rather keep Vol’Jin dead than perma kill Rezan.
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Yeah I really don’t know yet if I will continue with the game. It’s also not looking that great for our guild after years. BfD wasn’t good for us. I will have to see…
I also hate one of the tortured souls in this cinematic was a troll. Even though Bwonsamdi saves them (from the Maw nowadays… sure…). It would be cool to learn what he did. I really don’t like it, Shadowlands and those afterlives.
I don’t think it’s strange. Per “loa rules” the statues in Dazar’alor could even empower him to become a loa. I would love to see him again.
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Not to mention, This kind of plot invalidates Vol’Jin as loa material if he needed a push from Rezan himself.
It doesn’t make Vol’Jin look good, it doesn’t make Rezan look good. It’s a sacrifice of a great creation to prop a guy that was prematurely killed off.
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Hmm i’m wondering.
What is so bad about this? I have no clue about trolls in general, but I would imagine this would be like, don’t know … Ursoc merging with … Maiev or so and she becoms the new Avatar for guardians.
Voljin is stilla troll and a beloved one?
It’s not liek Ashamane suddenly choses human jesus for no reason.
Just different tastes, I suppose. Honestly, despite how much it makes sense for trolls and loa to go together and all that, and the fact that Vol’jin won’t even have been the first to do so, the concept just kinda bugs me. Even if he was wasted, I personally would have preferred Vol’jin to stay dead. And I know it’s far too late for this kind of setting, but I don’t like the idea of answering power creep with more power creep in the story.
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Killing a god for a mortal is in my view simply bad. Merging Ursoc with Maiev and making some weird new being out of the two would be horrible too, in my view.
He is, for some reason yes. That doesn’t make it better that a loa has to kill itself so Vol’jin can become a loa.
He could have accent on his own, or got a deserved well end. There where other ways. Sacrificing a loa for this is something I really don’t like and on Drakkari level stupid.
That’s another thing which annoys me. Does this mean Zanza and every other loa with a Troll form (- Muh’zala) only became loa because a wild-god sacrificed itself? There were quite a view of them mentioned in Zul’Drakk alone and I don’t like this possibility.
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Hm interesting.
But fair enough I guess, can’t comment on how troll players feel here.
Just though it would still be in the family … es a strange thing but at least a trade off.
You lose a character that was recently introduced and get an old beloved one back empowered as hell.
But sure if that is something people don’t want or what doesn’t suite within the lore or identity, I can understand that.
Is it safe that rezan is just like “her you go bro” or does something happen that would kill him anyway like with Ursoc and thus the power is just used for something else or would just be lost?
Also, as an aside, another reason why I personally don’t want to see Vol’jin around anymore is that he’s just yet another reminder of the BFA storyline of how all of this happened for putting Sylvanas in charge. His character has become defined by this mistake and it’s an annoying memory.
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By losing the original god. Changes can happen, sure. But making a mortal into a loa, by killing the original loa simply because? That’s wrong. Don’t forget many Trolls have a deep bond with their loa and the same goes for players. Rezan for example is important to Zandalari paladin players. I mean the Troll spirit isn’t lost after their dead… or wasn’t before Shadowlands. Communication should be possible (if Bwonsamdi plays along I guess) with deceased Trolls.
Another example: Would Janalai die, I don’t know how any Amani Firecaller would react. They would basically be done and had to change their loa (and lose all their fire stuff).
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Strange how different perstectives could be.
For me it would be basically a rewind to before BFA and fix everything to the state before that horribile writing.
Same woudl gow with Teldrassil regrow and Lordaeron retake by the Forsaken.
They even retconned the free will sentinel ressing with the boo.
IT just feels to me as if blizzard tries to do a D&D 4th edition eraze here.
4th edition lore was hated and nearly killed the franchise. With 5e they just reverted everything , but not by just saying “it never happened” but by rebuilding the status quo from 3rd edition.
Like they destroyed Myth drannor again, and placed the elven island back into the sea. Rebuilt Neverwinter and revived all the killed gods … stuff like that.
Some kind of a retcon light. It still happened, but they did a 100ears timeskip and just reverted everything back to before it was.
It wasn*t an elegant solution but it saved teh franchise aand people were happy. I mself left D&D during 4th edition because of that and I am striving in 5th now again.
Losing Cenarius would be going back to before BFA for you? To get an Night Elf back?
That’s a different take on this matter than I have, that’s for sure.
You forget that’s not a retcon and yes it poses also the problem: What loa killed themselves for Zanza and the other loa with Troll forms? Does a loa have to die for a Troll to become a loa?
Then there would be another question, for you. Let’s say the same would apply to Night Elves. Wouldn’t it be strange to ask you such a question?
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