It has been explained to you multiple times that M+ gearing is not “better”. It can be faster to gear up early season, but you are still time gated for top ilvl gear. Even then, raiders have exclusive access to the highest ilvl.
The vault gives you a chance for 1 item at higher ilvl per week. It will take months even with good RNG to get full 447.
You act like everyone and their grandma are running into +20s.
447*
Crafting 437 is a complete bait because it costs you the same crests you would use to upgrade the item to 437 but it also costs you a spark.
Incorrectly explained yes. I don’t agree with you. Everything about M+ gearing is better. It’s why, every season, 90% of the gear I wear is from M+ and not the raid.
And it’s even worse now.
It’s because you don’t Mythic raid and you rely on a weekly time gate for a chance for 1 upgrade.
With the change to being able to upgrade Raid gear, it most certainly is not.
M+ completely invalidates anything below mythic raiding.
You’re arguing into the void with these guys. I’ve been debating them for years since M+ was introduced, trying to show them the damage it has done to the game. They can’t see it, because they are M+ junkies.
If you include all of M+, then that’s not an equivalent argument. That’s called cherry picking.
Why would you include all of M+ and only Normal/Heroic raiding?
Obviously running +20s invalidates Normal raiding. Just like Mythic raiding invalidates running +10 keys. Your argument is beyond clownish.
Blizzard will never stop players who will full farm content as long as there’s no barrier.
If you consistently raid, full clear of normal, ~4 m+, and do a handful of heroic bosses or even LFR if you really wanna cover tier, I’d say even the middle ground is pretty flooded for gear and upgrades.
Maybe my perception is a little warped, but closer to the average player/amount of content played in a week, gearing is borderline too fast.
Isn’t this what valor has done for the first half of every season, been that barrier.
Most people aren’t even filling their vaults, let alone getting enough wyrm or aspect crests to cap out each week.
I’m definitely not, not even close.
I think as soon as you start talking about heroic raid you’re well above middle ground.
Because normal and heroic raiding make up the majority of the raiding population, and M+ completely destroys them because it is far easier and far more rewarding.
Whenever M+ gearing is brought up and how it is too easy and rewarding for the ilvl it offers (and you suggest that maybe awarding mythic raid gear for FAILING to time a key is too rewarding) you get shrieked down by the hoards of people trying to protect their easy gearing system.
But 17-20 keys do NOT make up the majority of the mythic+ population.
So you use the median population of raiders and compare it to the top 5% of M+ players?
LOLLLLLLLLLLLL
Like I said, you are doing some full on Olympic levels of mental gymnastics 
Look at the poll Blizzard put out. It’s by far the most popular feature of this game.
raid don’t drop flightstones… i guess raiders have to do ALL content to get the ability of M+ while M+ don’t have to touch the raid one bit and will get the gear they want from it outside of a FEW MINOR SELECT Items
Can you blame though? Wow end game is kind of devoid of good content. Blizzard is using M+ to prop up their lack of content for players.
It was a clever system, but it is kind of boring for a lot of players.
Blizzard has always had trouble developing and getting out content. As the OW2 debacle shows, the company just sucks at managing their development teams. A lot of their teams are stuck in development hell.
You seem to have left out that Raiders have access to much higher Drops and don’t have to rely on a weekly time gate that gives only 1 potential upgrade if it’s not filled with rings.
Unless your guild somehow prioritize M+ over raiding during your raid nights… which it probably doesn’t, why is M+ being rewarding even a problem?
Guess you just want to go back to raid logging for the best gear in the game? Like in WoD? When the game was dying?
Erm, my BIS trinkets are from raiding, ultra rare drops at that, my BIS weapon is from the last boss and raiding would give me access to my 4P a lot quicker.
A competent group speedrunning through Heroic is also a great source of Wyrm Crests, much faster than being stuck doing low keys.
Plenty of reasons for M+ players to raid.
ROFL!!! You think a poll that only was posted on these forums is a good indicator of what the overall population wants?
How about the players that quit, or the vast majority of players that don’t visit these forums.
What a brain-dead take.