Because "none of the cross-server realms and different server sharding options that we have available to us today." clearly means except in starting zones at launch.
Once again, since you want to claim that J. Allen Brack never specifically said "We promise that there will never be sharding anywhere at all in classic", show us where Ion specifically said "We promise that sharding will only be used in the starting areas and only for <x amount of time> We promise that sharding will NEVER be used anywhere other than starting zones or beyond the first <x amount of time>".
I'm betting that you cannot.
Tell us all why one statement that did not specifically include the words "We promise" is any less of a "promise" than another statement that does not include those words.
It couldn't possibly be because you WANT that second statement to be a promise because it fits your agenda and your retail, instant gratification, convenience oriented mindset, could it?
I already did, but here we go again:
Ion was asked what Blizzard will do with sharding/crz for classic and was given an answer. 'sharding at launch' <- do you see CRZ in there?
Brack said in an interview that its one of the tenets of classic wow and that they know fans don't want it. We don't even know what question he was asked when he gave that response. We have no context. All you should take away from this is that they are going to make it a tenet that the game does not shard. The fact that they have to use it to get a stable launch surpasses this, because the benefit outweighs the cost.
I do not see the word "promise" in there.
There was no "promise" that Blizzard would not use CRZ's in Classic or even that they would only use sharding in the starting areas and only for a brief time.
Show us all where Blizzard "promised" us that sharding would not be used anywhere but the starting zones and only for a brief time or that CRZ's would not be used.
Honestly, I still can't figure out why all the people crying about limited don't just realize there is ACTUALLY something they can do about it to help combat this. Just don't log in for the first couple weeks! I am not joking about this either. If you all just don't login until sharding is over with, that will have a massive positive energy to classic wow.
1. Sharding will end sooner as there will be less people 2. You don't have to deal with sharding 3. You talk about wanting sharding and you want the launch experience of not being able to log in and have it be mayhem and you CAN REPLICATE THIS BY NOT PLAYING
What's there to lose? Honest question, I am not making this post out of jest. Just don't play.
Honestly, I still can't figure out why all the people crying about limited don't just realize there is ACTUALLY something they can do about it to help combat this. Just don't log in for the first couple weeks! I am not joking about this either. If you all just don't login until sharding is over with, that will have a massive positive energy to classic wow.
1. Sharding will end sooner as there will be less people 2. You don't have to deal with sharding 3. You talk about wanting sharding and you want the launch experience of not being able to log in and have it be mayhem and you CAN REPLICATE THIS BY NOT PLAYING
What's there to lose? Honest question, I am not making this post out of jest. Just don't play.
Good morning. I made treat for you. Go follow this thread of replies:
Ion was asked what Blizzard will do with sharding/crz for classic and was given an answer. 'sharding at launch' <- do you see CRZ in there?
Brack said in an interview that its one of the tenets of classic wow and that they know fans don't want it. We don't even know what question he was asked when he gave that response. We have no context. All you should take away from this is that they are going to make it a tenet that the game does not shard. The fact that they have to use it to get a stable launch surpasses this, because the benefit outweighs the cost.
I do not see the word "promise" in there.
There was no "promise" that Blizzard would not use CRZ's in Classic or even that they would only use sharding in the starting areas and only for a brief time.
Show us all where Blizzard "promised" us that sharding would not be used anywhere but the starting zones and only for a brief time or that CRZ's would not be used.
"I dO nOt sEe tHe wOrD "pRoMiSe" iN tHeRe." - Ratsmats, a man of infinite repetivity
I have already answered this. I know, reading comprehension is low, but just read a few times over what I and the other have said. It will come to you, in time.
There was no "promise" that Blizzard would not use CRZ's in Classic or even that they would only use sharding in the starting areas and only for a brief time.
Show us all where Blizzard "promised" us that sharding would not be used anywhere but the starting zones and only for a brief time or that CRZ's would not be used.
They didn't so you have to hope for the best here. But, as another poster stated, those that don't want sharding and see sharding outside of the starting zones will just leave and go back to private servers.
And I'm sure Blizzard knows this. Not every private server is going to shut down for good.
Honestly, I still can't figure out why all the people crying about limited don't just realize there is ACTUALLY something they can do about it to help combat this. Just don't log in for the first couple weeks! I am not joking about this either. If you all just don't login until sharding is over with, that will have a massive positive energy to classic wow.
1. Sharding will end sooner as there will be less people 2. You don't have to deal with sharding 3. You talk about wanting sharding and you want the launch experience of not being able to log in and have it be mayhem and you CAN REPLICATE THIS BY NOT PLAYING
What's there to lose? Honest question, I am not making this post out of jest. Just don't play.
1. bUt We DoNt TrUsT bLiZzArD. ThEy lIeD tO rP 2 & 3. Pure gold, solid point. But they are hoping they are the ones that can get in and play and all of us with 'retail, instant gratification, convenience mindsets' got locked out.
Honestly, I still can't figure out why all the people crying about limited don't just realize there is ACTUALLY something they can do about it to help combat this. Just don't log in for the first couple weeks! I am not joking about this either. If you all just don't login until sharding is over with, that will have a massive positive energy to classic wow.
1. Sharding will end sooner as there will be less people 2. You don't have to deal with sharding 3. You talk about wanting sharding and you want the launch experience of not being able to log in and have it be mayhem and you CAN REPLICATE THIS BY NOT PLAYING
What's there to lose? Honest question, I am not making this post out of jest. Just don't play.
Good morning. I made treat for you. Go follow this thread of replies:
I know I read it they were gold. My favorite part was that he kept linking a blizzard post that was actually proving him wrong. He did it multiple times and every time he did it I was laughing hysterically.
"BLIZZ SAID THERE WOULD BE NO SHARDING/CRZ IN LEGION LOOK AT THIS POST!!!" -Post is of blizzard saying there will 100% be crz and sharding in these zones- "SEE I TOLD YOU THEY TOLD US THERE WOULDN'T BE CRZ THEY LIED"
Honestly, I still can't figure out why all the people crying about limited don't just realize there is ACTUALLY something they can do about it to help combat this. Just don't log in for the first couple weeks! I am not joking about this either. If you all just don't login until sharding is over with, that will have a massive positive energy to classic wow.
1. Sharding will end sooner as there will be less people 2. You don't have to deal with sharding 3. You talk about wanting sharding and you want the launch experience of not being able to log in and have it be mayhem and you CAN REPLICATE THIS BY NOT PLAYING
What's there to lose? Honest question, I am not making this post out of jest. Just don't play.
Honestly, I still can't figure out why all the people crying about "unstable launch" or "having to compete with hundreds of other players" don't just realize there is ACTUALLY something they can do about it to help combat this. Just don't log in for the first couple weeks! I am not joking about this either. If you all just don't login until the initial rush is over with, that will have a massive positive energy to classic wow.
1. The initial rush will end sooner as there will be less people 2. You don't have to deal with "unstable servers" or "competing with hundreds of other players" 3. You talk about wanting stable servers and less competition, and you CAN ACHIEVE THIS BY NOT PLAYING until after the initial rush is over 4. The community is not "split up" and there won't be people,. mobs, resources, etc. appearing and disappearing in front of you. What's there to lose? Honest question, I am not making this post out of jest. Just don't play.
Honestly, I still can't figure out why all the people crying about limited don't just realize there is ACTUALLY something they can do about it to help combat this. Just don't log in for the first couple weeks! I am not joking about this either. If you all just don't login until sharding is over with, that will have a massive positive energy to classic wow.
1. Sharding will end sooner as there will be less people 2. You don't have to deal with sharding 3. You talk about wanting sharding and you want the launch experience of not being able to log in and have it be mayhem and you CAN REPLICATE THIS BY NOT PLAYING
What's there to lose? Honest question, I am not making this post out of jest. Just don't play.
Honestly, I still can't figure out why all the people crying about "unstable launch" or "having to compete with hundreds of other players" don't just realize there is ACTUALLY something they can do about it to help combat this. Just don't log in for the first couple weeks! I am not joking about this either. If you all just don't login until the initial rush is over with, that will have a massive positive energy to classic wow.
1. The initial rush will end sooner as there will be less people 2. You don't have to deal with "unstable servers" or "competing with hundreds of other players" 3. You talk about wanting stable servers and less competition, and you CAN ACHIEVE THIS BY NOT PLAYING until after the initial rush is over
What's there to lose? Honest question, I am not making this post out of jest. Just don't play.
Here's the thing about it though, I'm not worried about the launch rush because they are having sharding. You are the one that's worried. Tell me again how this post is suppose to make sense?
There was no "promise" that Blizzard would not use CRZ's in Classic or even that they would only use sharding in the starting areas and only for a brief time.
Show us all where Blizzard "promised" us that sharding would not be used anywhere but the starting zones and only for a brief time or that CRZ's would not be used.
They didn't so you have to hope for the best here. But, as another poster stated, those that don't want sharding and see sharding outside of the starting zones will just leave and go back to private servers.
And I'm sure Blizzard knows this. Not every private server is going to shut down for good.
Hoping for the best in one thing. Expecting the best when Blizzard has shown us time and time again that "the best" is not what they deliver is another thing entirely.
We're just asking Blizzard to give us a reason to believe that they may actually intend to give us "the best" by starting out on the right foot and not adding sharding, which has such a detrimental affect on community.
Also, just to crystal clear here children. I do not WANT sharding. Sharding isn't something I am looking forward to. But, as a reasonable adult I see the necessity in this and can understand why this is going to be beneficial as a whole.
A lot of your arguments here are in direct context of you thinking that I am advocating for sharding because I think it is a beautiful thing and I want it throughout the game. This is incorrect. People who are 'defending' sharding are doing do because they have this thing between their ears called a brain.
Honestly, I still can't figure out why all the people crying about "unstable launch" or "having to compete with hundreds of other players" don't just realize there is ACTUALLY something they can do about it to help combat this. Just don't log in for the first couple weeks! I am not joking about this either. If you all just don't login until the initial rush is over with, that will have a massive positive energy to classic wow.
1. The initial rush will end sooner as there will be less people 2. You don't have to deal with "unstable servers" or "competing with hundreds of other players" 3. You talk about wanting stable servers and less competition, and you CAN ACHIEVE THIS BY NOT PLAYING until after the initial rush is over
What's there to lose? Honest question, I am not making this post out of jest. Just don't play.
Here's the thing about it though, I'm not worried about the launch rush because they are having sharding. You are the one that's worried. Tell me again how this post is suppose to make sense?
In essence you are both correct from your respective point of view. He is not worried about crashes and overpacked zones because he's used to it. You're not worried about sharding because you're used to it (or just arguing in favor) and hell, having an unstable launch would be awful obviously.
That's why it's not really worth most replies on this forum as everyone feels correct based on how they feel about the subject.
Honestly, I still can't figure out why all the people crying about "unstable launch" or "having to compete with hundreds of other players" don't just realize there is ACTUALLY something they can do about it to help combat this. Just don't log in for the first couple weeks! I am not joking about this either. If you all just don't login until the initial rush is over with, that will have a massive positive energy to classic wow.
1. The initial rush will end sooner as there will be less people 2. You don't have to deal with "unstable servers" or "competing with hundreds of other players" 3. You talk about wanting stable servers and less competition, and you CAN ACHIEVE THIS BY NOT PLAYING until after the initial rush is over
What's there to lose? Honest question, I am not making this post out of jest. Just don't play.
Here's the thing about it though, I'm not worried about the launch rush because they are having sharding. You are the one that's worried. Tell me again how this post is suppose to make sense?
You're worried about the launch rush if they do not have sharding.
I'm worried about what will happen after the initial rush if they even get a toe in the door with sharding.
You're worry is about the first brief period of time, while my worry is about the long term game as a whole. I'm looking at the big picture and am willing to put up with a little inconvenience and competition in order to give the long term game a better chance of remaining true to vanilla.
Here's the thing about it though, I'm not worried about the launch rush because they are having sharding. You are the one that's worried. Tell me again how this post is suppose to make sense?
In essence you are both correct from your respective point of view. He is not worried about crashes and overpacked zones because he's used to it. You're not worried about sharding because you're used to it (or just arguing in favor) and hell, having an unstable launch would be awful obviously. That's why it's not really worth most replies on this forum as everyone feels correct based on their respective viewpoint on the matter.
I'm not use to sharding just for records sake. I am not even sure I have ever even been apart of a shard. I have played legion and bfa yeah but my home server is so dead I don't even think it would have needed to be used ever. I have played on p servers mostly for the last couple years and honestly I am probably more use to no sharding than he is.
I just understand that there may be a necessity for it. Others can't wrap their brains around that for some reason as if they are experts on server capacities for World of Warcraft classic.
There are plenty of people that will. Especially since it's $15 for a World of Warcraft sub that covers ALL World of Warcraft servers, no matter the ruleset.
Give me server queues, give me 300 people at the kolkar camp, give me realm crashes but don't give me sharding iffs
Nah. I'll take sharding in the starting zones for a limited time, thanks. :)
Here's the thing about it though, I'm not worried about the launch rush because they are having sharding. You are the one that's worried. Tell me again how this post is suppose to make sense?
In essence you are both correct from your respective point of view. He is not worried about crashes and overpacked zones because he's used to it. You're not worried about sharding because you're used to it (or just arguing in favor) and hell, having an unstable launch would be awful obviously.
That's why it's not really worth most replies on this forum as everyone feels correct based on how they feel about the subject.
But we have to fight loudly and vigorously! It's a moral imperative!
Honestly, I came in here to watch the youtube video. I watched it, scoffed because it was so obviously tin foil hats creating an issue on purpose and trying to pass it off as some sort of organic experience that just happened. Meanwhile the mushbrains here are lapping it up, dropping #NotMyClassic, thinking that what they saw was what they will experience.
Then I find all these butthurt people saying how Blizzard lies about sharding and has lied for years. I asked them for proof, they gave what they thought was proof, and it blew up in there faces.
They are all gone, because they realize they lost once I explained how their proof is actually my proof and they don't know how to read. Whats left is Ratsmats here, who won't stop posting the same thing over and over and just in general thinking he deserves Classic more than anyone else.
I just understand that there may be a necessity for it. Others can't wrap their brains around that for some reason as if they are experts on server capacities for World of Warcraft classic.
Thanks for the reply and yeah I agree with this statement. I'd absolutely adore if Blizzard released an authentic 1.12 experience but I knew this was not a possibility when they chose to use the new hardware.
I feel as though the conversations on this board would become far more constructive if those against sharding moved their viewpoints to "Okay. But if they shard lvl 12+ we're gone and your servers are dead now". I think like that's a more fair compromise and more threatening to Blizzard than threatening not to play at all; which is simply not true for most of us. I think most people here will at least try it no matter WHAT they do.