No, that's the point. They DON'T want authentic Vanilla, and if Blizzard has sharding they're not giving it to them...or to those of us who actually do want that authentic experience.11/08/2018 06:57 PMPosted by Sunjashi<span class="truncated">...</span>I'm more concerned about the playerbase. Already on these forums we're seeing more and more people saying things like...'Sharding wouldn't be that bad in capitals, or blackrock, or AQ, or this or that. The goalposts are already being moved. Just wait until a convenience like sharding is taken away from these types of players. Revolt, revolution, turmoil, riots in the streets. So what is the point of sharding? Blizz is trying to satisfy people who will never be satisfied. They'll always ask for more.
No idea, but all they're doing is hurting the cause and proving Brack right. They think they want authentic Vanilla, but they don't.
11/08/2018 07:09 PMPosted by Summerayné<span class="truncated">...</span>
Unintended sharding =/= they never want sharding. It just means they had unintended sharding. This guy 100% proved you guys wrong and the best part about all of this? You keep talking about how only desperate people spread lies, even though you are the one who is STILL SPREADING THE LIES. Well... or misinformation. Either or. This is so hilarious I canât get enough of this.
He didn't prove a single thing. But yeah, you are a troll I'm not going to feed any longer. If you can't read the thread and twitter post I linked, that's on you.
Just going to leave this definition here. Enjoy!
un·in·tend·ed
[ËÉnÉnËtendÉd]
ADJECTIVE
not planned or meant.
Wow honey you really didnât understand what I just said.
They had unintended sharding when/they didnât want it. Much like nick has been saying, in this case it lit everyone in one shard. Not that they NEVER want sharding in these zones, and not that they promised they wouldnât, but it simply got glitched has unintended actions.
This nick guy really spelled it out for you in ways that a toddler could understand. And here you are googling the literal definition on unintended and thinking that disproves the truth he just threw at you
Honestly i donât even know why Iâm talking, this nick guy is making you guys look like fools.
11/08/2018 07:00 PMPosted by Nickamus11/08/2018 06:45 PMPosted by Summerayné...
The links I provided were not talking about RP realms. They are referring to the game in general at Legion launch. All realms, PvP, RP, PvE, RPPvP, etc.
You didn't prove a thing. The blue in that post went back on what had been stated previously and another player in that thread provided the twitter post from Blizzard to prove it. But continue on with your name calling as it seems to be the only way you know how to communicate. You can try to spread all the misinformation and lies you like, but thankfully most of us here know better.
What part of the words "We've identified an issue causing unintended cross-realm grouping in most Legion zones (including Order Halls). A fix is in the works." don't you seem to understand? I suppose the post I linked with over 400 upvotes regarding the subject didn't ring a bell either? Take notice of the word "AGAIN" in the title. They said "again" because this was a common occurrence at the start of Legion after each reset. As I said, after each patch the player base would complain, they would say it was unintended and push out a hotfix. They said it was not supposed to be a permanent thing in new content. Then they went back on it. Read the thread yourself.
Continue your name calling if it makes you feel better. Notice in the thread people calling it a bug, etc. Why were they calling it a bug? Because Blizzard was saying so.
I read more of the forum post. The blue post and the tweet say the same thing by the way. Unintended grouping of players onto too few shards.
So this issue was just CRZ not working properly and putting too many people in one shard, and it came back after server restarts for awhile in Legion.
Soooo.. given that this isnt an RP server issue, just the sharding tech working poorly, I'm not even sure how it's relevant to the discussion of whether Blizzard lied about not sharding in RP servers and that's why people dont trust them to only use it during launch of Classic.
If sharding is turned off, it cant function poorly and cause overcrowding (the issue in what you linked). You know what will cause overcrowding though? Not sharding on launch.
I assumed what you linked me too was about RP, cuz why else would you link me to it given the conversation that's going on. The fact that's it not makes me question, again, whether you can read and comprehend.
This whole tangent you started is irrelevant.
My posts were not irrelevant. The discussion in this thread is not about people only being concerned with sharding being a thing on RP realms, but the game as a whole.
You say you read some of the thread I linked, maybe you should look through some of it a bit more. If you do, you will quickly notice within even just the first few pages how people are repeatedly talking about how they were told it was not supposed to have been in new content and how they felt Blizzard was trying to sneak it in.
There really isn't anything more I can say here. The thread I linked proves that this was not supposed to be a permanent thing and Blizzard went back on it. We were previously told it was only meant for older content where the zones were empty due to everyone being in end game content. It was meant to fill the zones and make them more alive originally.
We've stated this numerous times, but this is not new. CRZ has existed in Broken Isle zones since launch, however you may not have seen it active due to the amount of players leveling the same zone on your server.
Then they realized there was an actual issue on server restart that caused the server to load people onto one shard
Again, just to reiterate, CRZ is intentional, but it should be not be massively disrupting the world and/or day-to-day activities. Seeing players from other realms is normal, seeing thousands of them, not so much.
Twitter:
We've identified an issue causing unintended cross-realm grouping in most Legion zones (including Order Halls). A fix is in the works.
You should take away from this forum and tweet that CRZ was activated for Legion, was active for all of Legion, but they encountered an issue where !@#$ tons of players were loaded onto the same shard, causing massive overpopulatio .
11/08/2018 07:16 PMPosted by Nickamus11/08/2018 06:51 PMPosted by Sunjashi...
So how do you know they will keep their word? Classic isn't even in beta yet. Blizz can SAY whatever they want, but I'll believe it when I SEE it.
Okay? Then why bother talking about it on the forums if you wont believe it until you play the game? What do you want? A blue post? You wont believe that right?
Blizzard has literally never lied about sharding, so I'm not sure why you wouldnt trust them.
If you trust Blizz so much, then why bother defending them on the forums when you could actually be playing the game? You say you're not defending them, but I see through your denial.
So I have to ask, WHY? They don't even know you, they don't even know you exist. They don't know you, will never meet you, aren't your personal friends, don't have your best interests in mind, and only care about how much money they can get out of you. So why go through all this effort to "fight misinformation" on the forums when you likely never even get so much as a simple personal "thank you" from Blizz? If you're that confident in Blizzard's integrity, then you shouldn't feel the need to open your mouth here, just go play and enjoy the damn game.
11/08/2018 07:23 PMPosted by Summerayné11/08/2018 07:00 PMPosted by Nickamus...
I read more of the forum post. The blue post and the tweet say the same thing by the way. Unintended grouping of players onto too few shards.
So this issue was just CRZ not working properly and putting too many people in one shard, and it came back after server restarts for awhile in Legion.
Soooo.. given that this isnt an RP server issue, just the sharding tech working poorly, I'm not even sure how it's relevant to the discussion of whether Blizzard lied about not sharding in RP servers and that's why people dont trust them to only use it during launch of Classic.
If sharding is turned off, it cant function poorly and cause overcrowding (the issue in what you linked). You know what will cause overcrowding though? Not sharding on launch.
I assumed what you linked me too was about RP, cuz why else would you link me to it given the conversation that's going on. The fact that's it not makes me question, again, whether you can read and comprehend.
This whole tangent you started is irrelevant.
My posts were not irrelevant. The discussion in this thread is not about people only being concerned with sharding being a thing on RP realms, but the game as a whole.
You say you read some of the thread I linked, maybe you should look through some of it a bit more. If you do, you will quickly notice within even just the first few pages how people are repeatedly talking about how they were told it was not supposed to have been in new content and how they felt Blizzard was trying to sneak it in.
There really isn't anything more I can say here. The thread I linked proves that this was not supposed to be a permanent thing and Blizzard went back on it. We were previously told it was only meant for older content where the zones were empty due to everyone being in end game content. It was meant to fill the zones and make them more alive originally.
He isnât talking about rp servers he is telling you what they were talking about and what the unintended sharding actually was... I donât think he is the one who needs to read it more lol.
And I agree with you, there is nothing more you can say
11/08/2018 07:24 PMPosted by NickamusWe've stated this numerous times, but this is not new. CRZ has existed in Broken Isle zones since launch, however you may not have seen it active due to the amount of players leveling the same zone on your server.
Then they realized there was an actual issue on server restart that caused the server to load people onto one shard
Again, just to reiterate, CRZ is intentional, but it should be not be massively disrupting the world and/or day-to-day activities. Seeing players from other realms is normal, seeing thousands of them, not so much.
Twitter:
We've identified an issue causing unintended cross-realm grouping in most Legion zones (including Order Halls). A fix is in the works.
You should take away from this forum and tweet that CRZ was activated for Legion, was active for all of Legion, but they encountered an issue where !@#$ tons of players were loaded onto the same shard, causing massive overpopulatio .
You should read the thread. I suppose all those people just somehow made it all up in their head that there wasn't supposed to be CRZ or sharding in new content, right? Right? Give me a break.
Anyways, I'm done with you and Oldgalla there. I'm not going to any longer be the brunt of your pent up aggression you need to get out. I was there, I experienced it along with tons more people and the thread I linked proves it. A part of me wants to continue to let myself be your virtual punching bag so you won't take it out on someone else. The other part of me is tired and not going to deal with your crap another second. Argue with yourself. You and Oldgalla there can continue to pat each other on the backs. But I'm not feeding either one of you anymore.
I will still continue to voice my concerns and opinions regarding sharding though because I care about the project.
11/07/2018 11:21 PMPosted by EspurFor launch day it might be acceptable, or for a bit, but I feel like dynamic spawns would be a better approach. Everyone being in the same instance but being able to get their spawns.
I disagree, i think it should be one world-wide instance for every realm, seeing everyone scramble at lightspeed for mobs will be fun. also they could make way more realms than needed for the people who want a low pop launch experience, then once the launch spike drops off they can merge the dead realms to make them into medium/high pop realms.
I'm personally fine with everything taking ages to get credit, but I worry that most won't be and Classic will take a severe hit.
The "Most" will be the casuals, and from the core gameplay, with sharding or not it is literally inevitable that the population will eventually be boiled down into pseduo-hardcore/hardcore players.
Even with that said, vanilla is a much, much much much smaller game in terms of size, therefore the game could easily function on an extremely low population for today's standards, and like i have said before, if realms start dying, they could easily merge realms until it fits the population, the game could still be lively even if it's subcount was only 5 thousand.
Really? Is that what people were TOLD? Seems to me people assumed it was only for old content and were surprised that it was active in legion. Also, front page:
"It's apparently working as intended from what I've heard. They're forcing CRZ down our throats on purpose. When there aren't enough people from your realm in a zone, they pull people in from others to fill it."
People think CRZ was loading them all into one shard on purpose, then saying it was turned off because after awhile the populations would even out. That probably isnt what happened given that Blizzard said repeatedly that CRZ was a legion staple. In several places, at several times. I used Sharding to do world quests quickly all throughout Legion, same in BFA. I have not found a single Blizzard response that says CRZ wasnt supposed to be a thing in Legion.
All you have is a Tweet you are misinterpreting.
"It's apparently working as intended from what I've heard. They're forcing CRZ down our throats on purpose. When there aren't enough people from your realm in a zone, they pull people in from others to fill it."
People think CRZ was loading them all into one shard on purpose, then saying it was turned off because after awhile the populations would even out. That probably isnt what happened given that Blizzard said repeatedly that CRZ was a legion staple. In several places, at several times. I used Sharding to do world quests quickly all throughout Legion, same in BFA. I have not found a single Blizzard response that says CRZ wasnt supposed to be a thing in Legion.
All you have is a Tweet you are misinterpreting.
11/08/2018 07:26 PMPosted by Sunjashi11/08/2018 07:16 PMPosted by Nickamus...
Okay? Then why bother talking about it on the forums if you wont believe it until you play the game? What do you want? A blue post? You wont believe that right?
Blizzard has literally never lied about sharding, so I'm not sure why you wouldnt trust them.
If you trust Blizz so much, then why bother defending them on the forums when you could actually be playing the game? You say you're not defending them, but I see through your denial.
So I have to ask, WHY? They don't even know you, they don't even know you exist. They don't know you, will never meet you, aren't your personal friends, don't have your best interests in mind, and only care about how much money they can get out of you. So why go through all this effort to "fight misinformation" on the forums when you likely never even get so much as a simple personal "thank you" from Blizz? If you're that confident in Blizzard's integrity, then you shouldn't feel the need to open your mouth here, just go play and enjoy the damn game.
Holy !@#$ this post is gold. This is the best forum in a while! âWhy are you proving our lies wrong? JUST STOP!!! Quit defending blizzard I AM TRYING TO SPREAD LIES ABOUT THEMâ
You are a god damn moron dude. Your whole basis of hating blizz is on lies and when this guy proves them wrong this upsets you? Wtf???
11/07/2018 08:58 PMPosted by Mtzjktjtjhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx9cSwgsbKQ&feature=youtu.be
Yep, this is NOT VANILLA.
STOP THIS CROSS-REALM INVITE, SHARDING NONSENSE.
GIVE US SERVER-ONLY VANILLA.
SERVER-ONLY ALTERAC VALLEY IS THE BEST PART OF VANILLA, PERIOD.
11/08/2018 12:50 AMPosted by Espur11/08/2018 12:40 AMPosted by HatchmarkItâs insane that you people still think sharding is going to last forever...
Mindless sheep following a mob mentality with no ounce of ability to think.
HATE SHARDING!!
Why?
JUST HATE IT!!
Okay!
This is 99% of the forum right now and blizzard knows it.
Even having it for a short time could be bad. Blizzard is using it as a last resort for a reason.
"Even a small amount of water could be bad, because too much water and you drown."
There's no reasonable sense of nuance or degrees in the vast majority of Anti-sharding arguments. There's a single one on the first page of this thread highlighting some other high player traffic events.
However, none of those events involve literally ALL of the servers, facing very heavy traffic, simultaneously. Launch day is exactly that.
Having done several MMORPG launch day rushes, I could honestly say it's not a very entertaining feeling seeing hundreds upon hundreds of other players all doing the exact same thing, potentially hogging up objectives and causing the game systems to fail. (And it's easily more immersion breaking than seeing someone blip out of existence on rare occasion.)
11/08/2018 07:24 PMPosted by Nickamus...
Then they realized there was an actual issue on server restart that caused the server to load people onto one shard
...
Twitter:
...
You should take away from this forum and tweet that CRZ was activated for Legion, was active for all of Legion, but they encountered an issue where !@#$ tons of players were loaded onto the same shard, causing massive overpopulatio .
You should read the thread. I suppose all those people just somehow made it all up in their head that there wasn't supposed to be CRZ or sharding in new content, right? Right? Give me a break.
Anyways, I'm done with you and Oldgalla there. I'm not going to any longer be the brunt of your pent up aggression you need to get out. I was there, I experienced it along with tons more people and the thread I linked proves it. A part of me wants to continue to let myself be your virtual punching bag so you won't take it out on someone else. The other part of me is tired and not going to deal with your crap another second. Argue with yourself. You and Oldgalla there can continue to pat each other on the backs. But I'm not feeding either one of you anymore.
I will still continue to voice my concerns and opinions regarding sharding though because I care about the project.
Man I read the thread. I get how people didnt expect CRZ, but that doesn't mean it was unintended. It was intended. Blizzard said it was intended, and said its active in BFA too. They have never said it wasnt intended. The second blue post says it is intended but shouldn't be putting so many people together. The tweet says CRZ was unintentoonally putting too many people together. I mean... you have to be *trying* to misinterpret all of this this badly.
11/08/2018 07:26 PMPosted by Sunjashi11/08/2018 07:16 PMPosted by Nickamus...
Okay? Then why bother talking about it on the forums if you wont believe it until you play the game? What do you want? A blue post? You wont believe that right?
Blizzard has literally never lied about sharding, so I'm not sure why you wouldnt trust them.
If you trust Blizz so much, then why bother defending them on the forums when you could actually be playing the game? You say you're not defending them, but I see through your denial.
So I have to ask, WHY? They don't even know you, they don't even know you exist. They don't know you, will never meet you, aren't your personal friends, don't have your best interests in mind, and only care about how much money they can get out of you. So why go through all this effort to "fight misinformation" on the forums when you likely never even get so much as a simple personal "thank you" from Blizz? If you're that confident in Blizzard's integrity, then you shouldn't feel the need to open your mouth here, just go play and enjoy the damn game.
Hey man, I dont need a reward. Heroes do good because it's the right thing to do.
Again, I'm not so much defending them as calling people out on their ignorance. This whole feedback forum for Classic is dominated by anti-sharding threads. Most of the people dont even know what it is, and apparently the loudest critics of it have little understanding of what Blizzard has said about it, yet insist they were lied to about it.
Outside of being a really enjoyable exercise for me, personally, I hope some other folks follow these links, read the posts and come to an educated decision on the matter.
11/08/2018 07:32 PMPosted by Oldallagala11/08/2018 07:26 PMPosted by Sunjashi...
If you trust Blizz so much, then why bother defending them on the forums when you could actually be playing the game? You say you're not defending them, but I see through your denial.
So I have to ask, WHY? They don't even know you, they don't even know you exist. They don't know you, will never meet you, aren't your personal friends, don't have your best interests in mind, and only care about how much money they can get out of you. So why go through all this effort to "fight misinformation" on the forums when you likely never even get so much as a simple personal "thank you" from Blizz? If you're that confident in Blizzard's integrity, then you shouldn't feel the need to open your mouth here, just go play and enjoy the damn game.
Holy !@#$ this post is gold. This is the best forum in a while! âWhy are you proving our lies wrong? JUST STOP!!! Quit defending blizzard I AM TRYING TO SPREAD LIES ABOUT THEMâ
You are a god damn moron dude. Your whole basis of hating blizz is on lies and when this guy proves them wrong this upsets you? Wtf???
Are you going to actually answer my question or are you just gonna keep tossing out more strawmen than a pumpkin farm on Halloween?
11/08/2018 07:32 PMPosted by Oldallagala11/08/2018 07:26 PMPosted by Sunjashi...
If you trust Blizz so much, then why bother defending them on the forums when you could actually be playing the game? You say you're not defending them, but I see through your denial.
So I have to ask, WHY? They don't even know you, they don't even know you exist. They don't know you, will never meet you, aren't your personal friends, don't have your best interests in mind, and only care about how much money they can get out of you. So why go through all this effort to "fight misinformation" on the forums when you likely never even get so much as a simple personal "thank you" from Blizz? If you're that confident in Blizzard's integrity, then you shouldn't feel the need to open your mouth here, just go play and enjoy the damn game.
Holy !@#$ this post is gold. This is the best forum in a while! âWhy are you proving our lies wrong? JUST STOP!!! Quit defending blizzard I AM TRYING TO SPREAD LIES ABOUT THEMâ
You are a god damn moron dude. Your whole basis of hating blizz is on lies and when this guy proves them wrong this upsets you? Wtf???
I'm glad you're enjoying this as much as I am. I was going to play Classic tonight, but got caught up in reading what people think about it. I just couldn't believe the entitlement and tribalism I found here.
"Go back to BFA you lifetime WoW supporter! I'm a real fan because I bailed in 2007!"
... Amazing.
Notice the bolded part. I especially love the part that says new expansion content was now going to be included, areas that previously did not allow CRZ.
"A cross-realm zone (or CRZ, also used as a verb) is a zone that grabs players from a pool of specific realms in order to populate the area and make it feel more lively. You will notice these "foreign" players because they will have a (*) beside their name, and they may also have a realm suffix. Building on to CRZ, new to 7.0.3 are Shards, which are separate instances of these cross-realm zones that have been created on-the-fly to maintain stability if the zone is hosting too many players. Both of these processes should be entirely seamless and almost unnoticeable.
You cannot choose if you want to CRZ or not, and it's going to happen in most of the game world regardless of you realm's population size. Even Stormwind, Orgrimmar and new expansion content were recently included; areas that historically have not allowed CRZ. There are some exceptions, though.
- Stormwind, Orgrimmar, Elwynn Forest, and Durotar are CRZ-disabled on RP realms only
- The old world PVP zones of Wintergrasp and Tol'Borad do not allow CRZ
- Legion Dalaran's upper city seems to not show any CRZ, though the Underbelly does.
With most of the CRZ world being unavoidable, there are some viable concerns, like competition for resources, rare mobs, quest completion, and WPVP faction balance, among others. Blizzard has recently addressed the resource issue by making herb/ore nodes shared among players. Skinning and fishing were unaffected. They've also allowed quest mobs to be tagged by multiple players on the same faction. They may still be faction-tagged, however. (Need confirmation on that).
So there are a few questions that can come from this, but those details perhaps deserve their own quote boxes."
"A cross-realm zone (or CRZ, also used as a verb) is a zone that grabs players from a pool of specific realms in order to populate the area and make it feel more lively. You will notice these "foreign" players because they will have a (*) beside their name, and they may also have a realm suffix. Building on to CRZ, new to 7.0.3 are Shards, which are separate instances of these cross-realm zones that have been created on-the-fly to maintain stability if the zone is hosting too many players. Both of these processes should be entirely seamless and almost unnoticeable.
You cannot choose if you want to CRZ or not, and it's going to happen in most of the game world regardless of you realm's population size. Even Stormwind, Orgrimmar and new expansion content were recently included; areas that historically have not allowed CRZ. There are some exceptions, though.
- Stormwind, Orgrimmar, Elwynn Forest, and Durotar are CRZ-disabled on RP realms only
- The old world PVP zones of Wintergrasp and Tol'Borad do not allow CRZ
- Legion Dalaran's upper city seems to not show any CRZ, though the Underbelly does.
With most of the CRZ world being unavoidable, there are some viable concerns, like competition for resources, rare mobs, quest completion, and WPVP faction balance, among others. Blizzard has recently addressed the resource issue by making herb/ore nodes shared among players. Skinning and fishing were unaffected. They've also allowed quest mobs to be tagged by multiple players on the same faction. They may still be faction-tagged, however. (Need confirmation on that).
So there are a few questions that can come from this, but those details perhaps deserve their own quote boxes."
11/08/2018 07:45 PMPosted by Nickamus11/08/2018 07:26 PMPosted by Sunjashi...
If you trust Blizz so much, then why bother defending them on the forums when you could actually be playing the game? You say you're not defending them, but I see through your denial.
So I have to ask, WHY? They don't even know you, they don't even know you exist. They don't know you, will never meet you, aren't your personal friends, don't have your best interests in mind, and only care about how much money they can get out of you. So why go through all this effort to "fight misinformation" on the forums when you likely never even get so much as a simple personal "thank you" from Blizz? If you're that confident in Blizzard's integrity, then you shouldn't feel the need to open your mouth here, just go play and enjoy the damn game.
Hey man, I dont need a reward. Heroes do good because it's the right thing to do.
Again, I'm not so much defending them as calling people out on their ignorance. This whole feedback forum for Classic is dominated by anti-sharding threads. Most of the people dont even know what it is, and apparently the loudest critics of it have little understanding of what Blizzard has said about it, yet insist they were lied to about it.
Outside of being a really enjoyable exercise for me, personally, I hope some other folks follow these links, read the posts and come to an educated decision on the matter.
Point still stands, if you're that confident, why do you feel the need to "call people out on their ignorance?" Why obsess over what others think? You know what you think, focus on that. Don't stress about what others think if you're that confident about what you think.
Keep the arguments flowing Bois. Love the bumps. I wanna see the OP get 200 likes next.