I’m happy for you then! Really, I am. You get to play the version of the game you want. Simple as that.
im not going to play it. will play a tbc , mop or legion but i have less than pleasant cata memories. heck id play wod or shadowlands before cata.
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There’s the problem. Very few agree on what a “proper” Classic+ actually is.
Although entirely subjective, I agree.
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It is a big enough amount to have a healthy server with a happy population on it.
Heck, just the underwater quests at the start of Cata give me the shivers just thinking about them.
IF I ever play on the Cata server, it will be in short bursts (1-2 month subs) to screw around on low level toons in the Blood Elf and Draenei areas to pass some time. And that is a big “IF.” I hope Blizzard will work some magic and put up a permanent TBC server.
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So are you looking forward to the mop remix they’re suppose to be releasing?
yeah. sounds fun
its funny but i actually enjoyed those. there are bright spots in cata, like the seahorse mount, the indiana jones quests and archaeology discoveries, but most of it was just a painful slog
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To each their own. Glad you liked it.
For me it got real old real quick but some of the pop culture references feel really forced imo. That was just one example.
I liked Vashj’ir as a questing zone. Not enough to replay Cataclysm though.
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same. i’m an indiana jones fan, so i got a giggle out of that quest chain. irreverent and off color satire has been a wow feature since vanilla
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Cataclysm badly needs changes and a team making new content for it to be viable longterm. Incredibly wishful thinking I know…
Its pretty simple. Blizz likes to make easy money and they have an ample contingent of credulous marks that will make that possible. They jump on every bandwagon the second its announced. They’ll buy the gold edition and however many boosts Blizz will allow and tell the forums they’re the real classic players cuz theyre being catered too.
We’re off the Classic Train and onto the Money Train which we were already steering hard towards with TBCC’s announcement. Look at all these side grade spinoffs they cant help but Disney themselves into.
Then leave it to the emboldened Cata baby trolls to tell you its a coincidence the game literally shed millions of players of paying subscribers post Cataclysm like fundamentally altering the entire genre had no drawbacks whatsoever.
But these are the same people who will tell you WoD was the greatest WoW expansion ever and garrisons were the best feature ever implemented into WoW besides pokemon and mission tables. So I dunno how much stock you want to put into their contrarian rhetoric.
TLDR: Its about money, like it always is.
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Nope thats wrong sub numbers dropped progressively during cata being the worst just before Dragon soul which saw a sharp rise( content drought), this was largely due to content drought and the relase of Final Fantasy XIV , your major error is not accounting for the massive influx of New MMORPG’s at the time , It wasnt just people being pissed at the direction of warcraft it was a general glut of other options.
again your mistakingly crossing your wires here , your talking about an already massively reduced population that just simply dislikes Retail wow and finds the other option ie Cata classic more desirable.
The novelty of classic was always going to wear off it was inivitable as is SOD. Claiming it was the wrong direction and they should stick to an earlier model is simply bad business , Classic is free its a supplememntary game to Retail . Whats killing wow in general is the monetizsation of the product not the release of xpacks you simply didnt like oh and btw by the end of cata there was still 10 million people subscribed.
10,000,000* 15 = $150,000,000 per month revenue…musta been a hard time for poor Blizz
Your arguments are not new nor are they particularly convincing they are simply a personal preference , there is no real proof that cata was any better or worse than BC or WOTLK or even vanilla , there are just too many variables to consider.
Interesting read however
And not just with the Classic family of products.
The next expac for live/retail has an advance version for purchase that will include early access to the release. Many players are upset but the bandwagoners are salivating like they are getting that juice.
TBC was never my jam but I get there’s players that loved it. Same with Wrath.
Okay. I liked Wrath for the Arthas /LK wrap up and in Classic I played because the majority of the guild wanted to experience it again.
I’m not invested in those expacs and wouldn’t play “Era” versions of either.
But I do get the sentiment of wanting to keep the era they enjoy alive or at least available.
Migrating between eras is a logistical issue that I personally don’t feel should be attempted but a lot of my misgivings are based on how badly I perceive that cloning was bungled plus it just seems like another cash grab.
So I do support the idea of era-type servers for TBC and Wrath but let them stand on their own without the “progressing” back and forth.
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Yeah and then they’ll complain about everything like they aren’t part of the problem.
Without diving too deep let it suffice to say that game companies got the whole business down to a science. For every one individual who can see what’s going on behind the great Oz’s curtain there are 100 people who could care less so long as the lever they’re pulling in the Skinner box keeps producing.
I loved TBC because of Vanilla. No small part of why I loved Vanilla (and by extension TBC) was because of the people I was playing with which consisted of a few close relatives and RL friends. 60 WoW was the best of the bunch, case closed.
I can see it your way because if we’re being honest, the cracks that would ultimately lead to “retail” actually started showing up in TBC as sub numbers continued to mount. Wrath is where it went to crap for me personally at the guild and passion level during the Ulduar phase. While I openly admit to my bias there are some substantial objective failures one can point too with Wrath if we’re talking longevity - which was sacrificed to capitalize on the games popularity to print money - as per the CEO who let it happen.
TBC was a somewhat large departure from Vanilla but Wrath was a major leap “forward” from even TBC. TBC resembles both games in some capacity, Vanilla and Wrath are very different games but that gets overlooked because of things like classes, lore, maps, etc. Then Cata just goes into straight up official WoW clone territory and then any good left in the franchise all but disappears with the close of MoP.
By the time Im done Im gonna end up with a dozen and a half 60’s. I would maintain a single TBC character for no other reason than the Season 2 Mercliless Glad rogue set (I love it) which was my old mains transmog for what little time I played retail after Wrath (which wasn’t much). I have a Wrath toon now (that’s soon to be an unplayed Cata toon apparently) who is lucky if I log her long enough to check the pvp daily once a week. I can confidently say I will never play through Wrath ever again.
I find migrating back and forth between factions on Era to be more fun than migrating to Wrath or even TBC for that matter. And you’re not wrong - everything after Era is about money, TBC the game included. A return to those expacs again would be about money. The players do get something out of the deal of course but only if its profitable for Blizz.
Pretty sure we’ve talked about this. Sooner or later they’re gonna end on a certain expac or take it all the way home, can’t really say. But after that, assuming their many spin offs don’t win everyone over, you’ll probably see “fresh” vanilla servers which will lead to another round TBC and Wrath with clones and boosts and shop mounts all the way around.
Ive decided to go with my original plan of just play on this one perma P6 cluster until you die or quit. Working on my 7th 60 and its still plenty fun for me.
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It’s weird, but I do like feeding my pet. And I hated the change to focus. And if the game is too easy it’s not worth playing. Came back for the classic games. Played the modern WOW to see how it was and it felt like it was designed for players who couldn’t get past level 1 of Super Mario.
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Good grief
Indeed.
It goes directly back to what Corpse said.
This is a quote from an interview with Ion about the experiment that is early access.
The entire interview: https://www.ign.com/articles/world-of-warcraft-the-war-within-game-director-answers-all-our-burning-questions
But yeah. Pretty upfront that it’s about the benjamins and moving product.
Regardless of the impact.
So again it’s odd to me that they just cannot spin up a couple (one pvp and one pve) of TBC and/or Wrath Era servers. Blizz, yall leaving money on the table.
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Catering to whales is much more profitable. Priorities and all that jazz…
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Oh for sure.
The base cost for the expac is $50USD.
The “whale” edition with early access is $90USD. Hungry hungry hippos!*
*apologies to hippopotamuses everywhere
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Couldn’t agree more - Cataclysm Classic feels like a not thought through product launch.
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