No changes for legitimate things like class design is fine. However no changes for junk like batching which wasn’t game design and was merely an artifact of server constraints is not fine.
wanting “no changes” applies to pop issues too. you’re implying that they enjoy megaservers when in reality people just want blizzard to keep their hands off things because everything they tinker with, they ruin.
so do i support server sizes? no
do i support blizzard in tinkering to resolve this? BIG no.
10000% this.
I play retail also, and it just doesn’t feel good to play. The GCD situation being what it is makes it feel like a mix of ARPG and MMORPG and it doesn’t seem to get either of those systems right at this point.
So yea. The #nochanges crowd are really silly.
Most of the #nochanges crowd was operating on the idea that they would somehow get the exact same experience in classic they got in vanilla.
Which was always a silly premise.
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Lets be real here, “warts and all” is only selective to players. So if say blizzard didn’t break the Spy addon, what then? you were able to “see” players outside you’re own viewing distance with it. This was incredibly broken in a lot of ways during p2.
Blizzard broke the premade discord system by not having the number of the BG show up. This upset players, mostly Horde, not like they couldn’t do it also. Alliance didn’t complain about it that much, other then you know, starting a match with only 10 players, which resulted in an auto loss.
There’s only so much warts and all that players can take currently, but then again, knowing what’s there is the MAIN ISSUE. It’s exploitable, and this is ASSSUMING players aren’t trying to play by an exploit. Blizzard SHOULD have known better that players will exploit hard this time around. The players didn’t have the knowledge of the game compared to now.
In hindsight, changing the game is defiantly a better choice for the game. Should have been a remake/remastered instead of just being a relaunch of the finalized version of the game. But blizzard couldn’t even do that right 
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If you rally against the tinkering, knowing blizz will never change the server size, you’re helping create an environment that is less like vanilla.
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i’m helping maintain what i know and avoiding blizzard’s natural tendency to make things much much worse.
they’ve set our expectations…we knew servers were going to be enormous. we knew which patch we were getting. if players didn’t want this, then they don’t need to play this game.
I agree with this, the best part of vanilla was the need to work together and having situations that encourage it. I hope come TBC, we look more at making it TBC+ rather than just flat out TBC on the last patch.
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And in doing so, you’re basically pushing for changes.
In fairness, Blizzard started and permitted this. We warned both that Blizz could not do changes because they’d do half measures without thinking of the consequences, such as layers which they did to alleviate population stress… but didn’t do anything about exploit hopping which gave players massive amounts of lotus, arcane crystals, and it could be done in dungeons and even raids letting some farm certain bosses over and over or do raids multiple times per lock out.
Or their AV ‘fix’ which resulted in what was half of the available BGs at the time being basically abandoned- from 100s of games to about a dozen at a time, cutting participation by over 90%.
Blizz cannot do changes, not with their smooth retail brains that can only ponder how to make the best neverending treadmill and force in the most MTs.
We also warned that if changes started, the floodgates would open- and by god did they open. Imagine if Blizz literally changes nothing at all- sure, there’d be some initial complaints about this and that- but at some point those begging for Blizz to make Vanilla more like retail would have given up and hopefully left the game entirely.
Instead, it was those that wanted Vanilla that started to leave, going back to pservers where devs not only made a game that was closer to Vanilla, but one with more stable servers and far more customer support because of course a small team of indie players that simply love the game can do a better job than a multi billion dollar company that is sucking up massive profits for their no effort Classic WoW release and yet still can’t do anything about bot trains or provide customer service that isn’t simply an email template that half the time doesn’t even relate to your ticket, leading me to believe they have a computer scanning tickets for keywords and then procedurally picking a canned response.
We warned the community that when they start making changes you want, they’re going to start making some you don’t too. But no, the community just like Blizz hadn’t learned a thing from what whining brings- it brings retail. And despite everyone supposedly being here to escape from the awfulness of retail WoW, there’s far too many players that immediately started to miss this feature, and that feature- and it has snowballed out of control.
This disaster is the game this community and Blizz wanted.
Now let’s take bets on the next big change. Abolishing the vanilla ranking system? Merc mode? LFR? Who knows!
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the English language disagrees with you
would you feel better if we changed it to “stop making changes” or “no more changes”? that make everything better?
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No matter how delusionally you cling to #nochanges it isn’t real.
Unless you are playing with 0 addons, 0 macros, a trackball mouse, analog keyboard and a crt monitor with 4:3 resolution you aren’t being faithful to vanilla.
well i played vanilla with these exact same addons, probably MORE macros, an optical mouse, a g15 keyboard and an lcd monitor.
did you just accidentally admit to something here? maybe you never played wow?
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The addons and macros we have today are ludicrsly more powerful than those in vannila.
If you are gonna say that original decursive is more powerful than weak auras don’t reply.
Its an odd point to highlight they mentioned, but their sentiment that this isn’t true vanilla still holds.
I had addons in Vanilla, and I definitely had macros. Did you even play Vanilla? Clearly not.
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Okay you can use z-pearl and some poop damage meter.
Thanks for confirming you never played Vanilla, if you really think that’s the extent of what we had.
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Other than decusive what addon did you have that actualy helped you play?
Add ons for timers for boss CDs and our own CDs, I had an add on to manage tranq shot order and warn us of resists cuz I was a hunter, add ons to manage traps/pets, to give better UI management. Frankly both now and then I use add ons for the same reason- to give me information both for what I and my enemy is doing so I can react.
I’ve no doubt there’s more sophisticated automated add ons now, clearly bots and boxxers have greatly improved in 15 years.
But first of all- you said no add ons, which isn’t Vanilla whatsoever I never played with the default UI and never would want to. Secondly- do you honestly think #nochanges, who wanted Blizz to make no changes to their game, meant Blizz using a time machine to force us to us the same technology from 15 years ago?
Just because they didn’t update their server technology in that time doesn’t mean we didn’t. Nobody assumes that Blizz can control what the players do, or things like better screens, computers, internet.
But being unable to control things outside of their control doesn’t mean they can’t control, or in this case, not change things within their control.
Y’know, I’d actually be 100% fine if Blizz simply remade every single add on that existed during Vanilla WoW and limited us to using those. But I don’t expect them to be able to do something like that. The next best thing is for them to do what they did during Vanilla- which is let players make and use add ons.
Which you are against- which means you want a change. Luckily, even Blizz isn’t dumb enough to make that change.
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