Holy crap we got our allies the high elves as a playable race. That’s awesome. Can you show me the screen shots of our allies being made and played in game. Oh you can’t instead we got BE rejects, which are HE rejects. Lorderon humans were mean. Let’s join the side with Lorderon humans. What?
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But that’s the thing; two named NPC’s don’t really make Paladins a definitive pillar of High Elven culture. Much like their warlock trainer and several cultists don’t either, you know?
Whether Blood Elves started by forcing the light and then redeeming themselves is kinda irrelevant to the fact that a lot of their culture was created around the mastery of the Light, even if the motivation changed.
High Elves are hardly defined by their worship of the holy light on the first place, beyond priests and their War3 legacy, yet neither we have had any major priest HE npc’s.
But High Elves are not defined by their worship of the light*, that’s the point. Their only canonical and long standing connection to the light -priests- are playable. So they are as connected to the light as ever.
*Arguably the Highvale are, but that kinda makes it anathema they would join the Void Elves on the first place.
Ohhh, so defiant, well have fun yelling about it!
But really man, I would be glad if VE’s could be paladins, my point is that simply, High Elves are just not defined by their worship of the light, and even less so paladins; there hasn’t been a single NPC HE that’s a a paladin since WotLK, yet we have had mages and hunters -which do define high elves- and warriors and rogues introduced as common troops for them in the purge and isle of thunder.
Again, it’s the difference between “Would be Nice” and “They NEED to be Paladins”
it’s just a compromise, take it or leave it.
The thing is we already have the race. They are bloodelves.
What people want is the freedom to take their bloodelf and play with their alliance friends. To walk around stormwind. To do quests for alliance npc’s.
Best way to do that? Get rid of the terrible faction divide. Why are we still pretending there is a war every expansion when every expansion ends on each faction being friends again? It’s getting old.
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What?
BE joined the horde because humans from Lorderon were mean to them. The undead are the Lorderon humans. So they joined the people that made them leave the alliance.
I mean I am leaving it. And Blizzard is missing the chance for me to pay out 50 bucks to get a couple race transfers by doing so. Void Elves and High Elves have a massive appeal to me thematically. The change does absolutely nothing for me, because it doesn’t DO anything. Void Elves are a massively flawed race mechanically, and they don’t have access to my second favorite class, which a High Elf would have likely had.
The void elf gameplay is still trash, void elves don’t have access to paladin. Blizz had a shot at my character race transfer money, but it’s not happening with Void Elves as they stand.
Because you really aren’t.
The only request I think makes any remote sense at this point is to make sure blonde, brown, and silver are all hair colors for Void Elves to match the skin tones. That’s it.
Even then that’s just nitpicking. You’re still getting what you wanted.
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pretty much what I’m saying. The High elves don’t really believe in the light over all and that kind’ve stuff. So i’m just saying there really isn’t much for them. Heck, night elves almost have as much of a presence as high elf paladins haha.
I wasn’t trying to counter you or anything, just saying there’s not really a class in general they are more iconically with to be fair. There’s Vereesa , and then there’s a few high elf paladins. That’s… pretty much just hunter and paladins and to a lesser extent warriors. I guess besides that it’s like… a few mages that don’t really get any attention? They kinda are often reading books.
Few blood elves here and there like uther’s former high elf apprentice but he turned his back and just uses the sunwell.
I still want void elf paladins, void knights! however, I’m not sure if they’d be willing to. Maybe?
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I think Void Elf Paladins could be worked in. They would just have a different source of power than Light based Pallies.
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And I’d be all for it. I don’t care how they do it, just make it so, blizzard! would be kind’ve similar in a way to how blood elves get their holy power I guess. They “channel it but it causes them pain” or something. Same as Undead priests and blood elf paladins before WOTLK. Also, add some void stuff to them as well. We only really have shadow priest and even then they are only sort’ve half voidy.
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We’re getting a lot of customization in SL. Maybe the playerbase can push for greater variety in race/class combos for either one of the major updates or at least the next xpac.
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Oh indeed, that’s just my main point honestly. I mean Mages and Hunters are the main HE things, several named mage NPC’s several rangers, up to Legion introducing more. Thematically, Legion highlighted both aspects of the SC as well. Light just… hasn’t. It’s not a themtic that defines high Elves as a whole (besides the Highvale)
Now this, I feel has a lot more merit from a gameplay and flavor perspective -and literally allows for High Elf Paladins as well- “paladin” as a gameplay archetype is just very limited by its lore confines, while other classes encompass a lot more fantasies in them. With both Sunwalker and now Prelates, we have seen the idea of the paladin expand slightly, but I would love for the gameplay to be available through a lore “analogue” for Void Elves, as we have seen Riftblades being.
It expands the usage of paladin in terms of gameplay archetype regarding lore, creates a whole new flavor of void warrior, and functionally allows for HE paladins.
But I do feel that we need to go through a VE flavor to make it fit them on the first place, cause VE are still the core race here.
Beyond that, Void Shaman would be pretty neat tho -I love killing them on visions- and it would certainly make VE’s unique in terms of Elves class/race combos.
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A class/combo revamp feels like the next big step in terms of player choice TBH.
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I think blizzard is finally seeing the power of customization options and player choice. XIV gave a lot of freedom with it, all races and classes doing whatever, super alt friendly, large customization options, all big driving forces for people to want to play XIV over WoW. Now, if blizzard keeps it up and keeps pumping out options, we could see the same result in a sense.
If you give people something pretty, fun, and cool to look at, they generally are more or less complacent with a lot of stuff.
The only thing I was worried about asking for it or the chances we might not is because there’s a lot of horde players that are ADAMANT on alliance getting absolutely nothing they ask for , so if we got some roundabout way of getting paladins, they’d be VEHEMENT and scream alliance favoritism much more than alliance people claiming horde favoritism even though we still only got scuffed high elves and a cop out while they get mostly everything they ask for and the future stuff it’s a high chance they could as well with vampires with huge ties to Kael’thas and san’layn returning to the story , so they could get dark ranger/san’layn elf options. Only thing left would be ogre’s and they’d have everything off their laundry list of things they want in the game.
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But it’s not like the Horde can claim ownership on the paladin themes, specially if the “Church of Undying Shadows” it’s its whole diff thing hehe.
Like, remember when Prelates were revealed? So many Human Paladins calling it an aberration and destroying lore and claiming Horde favoritism and all that.
I mean, just imagine, a world where both factions get what they want? It would be damn nice, and Horde still have some requests like San’layn, Ogres, Mok’nathal -which would totally use the Kul’tiran model haha-
There’s a lot of stuff still, and there are always new races being introduced, Vulpera are a BfA thing, and just highly popular!
I’d bet the KT Skelton was designed specifically with the thought of ogres on the horde in addition to the KT. Look at a KT male and ogre and they are already fairly close. It wouldn’t take much, I’d think, to make an ogre with that skeleton.
True, I guess my faith on us getting anything exactly new that people actually want or look good are slim haha. We’ve gotten… uh… questionable customization options in the form of races no one really asked for then void elves and kul tirans, which no one really wanted them the way they are either. So, alliance allied races are barely played besides casters for Void elves since their racials are mediocre for melee. I personally like them for lore potential at least.
Maybe people would like kul’tirans more if we got a small belly and new faces/ hair styles/facial hair. Making them look less fat, more thicc. I’d probably play one if that were the case.It’s Kind’ve what I want with the humans too but making them less buff and old man as well as a Velen frame for draenei. Maybe let me be a human even in combat as a worgen and let me toggle it off and on when I choose. Maybe void elf demon hunter. Probably my only requests besides voidknight/riftblade.
Then there’s dark iron dwarves which are fine but really, hardly anyone plays a dwarf no matter their racials.
To form a spark (or thought). It’s an actual turn of phrase. I use it all the time. Not agreeing or disagreeing with your points, just addressing the saying.