https://strawpoll.com/1gp893s3
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2394028-Alterac-Valley-Original-or-Nerfed-version/page2
https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/17620022293 2
We have been asking for vanilla, and furthermore we have been asking for the earlier version of AV since vanilla was still a thing that was being played.
It is hard to argue against that when a large portion of those who will be playing classic never stepped foot in vanilla and are just playing it because it was added onto their retail account for free. Polling them would give more accurate data?
For an accurate picture of what the playerbase will ultimately be? Yes. You’d still have to make them take the poll somehow. They aren’t part of the small number of people hitting the forums on these things.
You want more useful data, yet you want to include voters with zero knowledge of what they are being polled on, many of them openly hostile to the project. What could possibly go wrong?
Inviting the vegan population to vote on the best cut of beef would be just as nonsensical.
You’re putting words in my mouth and just being argumentative when all I’m doing was pointing out how statistics work to question polls you didn’t even create - not arguing with you. There are LOTS of people that are really interested in Classic. Lots who played or didn’t play that have valid opinions. Orders of magnitude more that the group of people active in the forums. Not talking about people hostile to the project that won’t play. You’re just making that up.
I’m not even critiquing you. Your reactions aren’t making sense. I’ll just stop responding.
Again, according to what?
What exactly are you questioning? That a large portion who will be playing classic never played vanilla? That they will be playing classic because they are getting it for free?
The fact remains that if you have no experience of knowledge of the choices, your insight and vote on a poll is less than valuable.
I guarantee that if blizzard was to conduct a poll limited to only those who played during the whole period of vanilla that 1.5 AV through 1.12 AV existed, you and others would turn your noses up at that as well.
Yes. A lot of people that never played will “try” classic because it’s part of their retail sub, but I doubt many will stay. And of those people, few of them care enough to be concerned about AV.
Not to your point no. But for those who take time to understand the issue… YES… Much more so.
These polls are by a niche group, that while we owe some thanks to for keeping a dream alive, are going to find themselves outnumbered soon. And this community, or parts of it, are doing all they can to alienate others and demean their opinions… And I get it. You feel you are being ignored. You feel you have the right to steer the ship. But you are not the only ones who love and enjoy what is about to happen. But if you continue on the path of mocking and tearing down new people who do not fit your understanding, you are only going to pull it all down around your own feet. Then what will they say. . “It was the tourists fault”
I understand your fears. I understand you passion. But please, can we try to see the other perspective. I know I am not perfect in my replies and I have to sit here after hitting send and ask myself. Am I considering what they mean.
You want me to link the 1.5 version of the zerg now? Just saying zerg isn’t exclusive to 1.12 and beyond.
Just throwing this out there… most of the people that I talk to that have been around since then prefer 1.12 and a lot of the people I see advocating for 1.5 never even played vanilla and just want to see what it was like.
Both are acceptable opinions to have, just saying that poll probably wouldn’t look like what you would think it would look like.
Please do.
I suspect you are cool with Yoko colorizing John’s drawings after his death.
It says 1.5 - but that is the version of the private server patch, not a replication of 1.5 AV vanilla.
My understanding is that they took a 1.10 patch of AV and turned into a hybrid. I could be wrong.
I believe it was a hybrid of 1.5-1.8 but it was still as close to 1.5 as you could get. When I say 1.5 I really should just start saying earlier versions because that’s what people are really talking about anyway and not the actual 1.5 version.
Even still. Acting like this version is unzergable is nothing less than a joke. I understand it’s tougher. But acting like it’s impossible is being disingenuous, or at the very least uninformed.
Check the map - this is the cut down version (Post 1.8 version).
Fair enough, but I’m not trying to argue that this is a straight 1:1 of a certain version I’m saying that buffing the mobs and adding them in to earlier-esq versions doesn’t make it unzergable. Because you can still zerg it.
Edit: Uhh just rewatched…
Looks like the same version as this one back in 2005.
Wow - watched part of this. Fun times. Looks like 2005.
Why the heck are people arguing against this version?
I played original AV, I have played GW2 and ESO battle grounds too. Original AV is still the champion.