Alterac Valley in Classic

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

No you are conflating reinforcement values with 1.11 AV values. Playing D or at least breaking the zerg was a very successful strat in 1.11, it didn’t become a bad idea until after reinforcements.

This doesn’t work well with your previous claim of needing specific classes to stay behind and defend at specific choke-points. Also, I didn’t say anything you just said. I stated that avoiding PvP was a successful (ie, winning) strat for groups in AV post 1.11, whereas it was not a successful strat in other battlegrounds, and you are claiming something… else. I’m not sure what, as it’s outside of anything I’ve said. If you’re trying to claim that avoiding PvP was not a successful strat in 1.11… There is much evidence that it was throughout this thread.

Except avoiding pvp is not a successful strat if the other side seeks it out. Now if both sides avoid pvp you basically have a coin toss.

But one side playing D while the other doesn’t actually favors the side playing D in 1.11+. Something that fundamentally changed with reinforcements. That is what you are not understanding.