Firelands isn’t hard
Sure blizzard can add the cinders and embers and items from sucking but only if theyre 160 frags per. So that 1600 esscenses would make it 256,000 Frags. How does that sound?
Clearly, it is.
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It’s not. You’re still surprised that a casual guild is casual?
Why are you struggling with it then? Being casual and struggling in a raid aren’t the same thing. That’s a skill issue.
This has nothing to do with the actual argument. They should add the Embers/Cinders to the vendor, there’s no reason not to. Besides someone who can barely clear the raid being against it for some odd reason, and their opinion shouldn’t be the basis of the decision whatsoever. You clearly have very little you can add at that point.
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We aren’t? Our group has been consistently full clearing the raid on normal in one night since the split into 10-mans, and you yourself said there’s no difference between normal and heroic as far as the legendary quest progression itself goes
I really don’t understand why you’re so hung up on my raid team specifically. Projection, maybe? Is your hardcore guild running you too ragged?
Then why did you bring it up in the first place?
This directly contradicts what you said earlier, and would mean that you ABSOLUTELY have completed more then 1 staff. Going back to gatekeeping people who haven’t gotten one yet.
You keep saying you can’t complete staffs because you’re not fully clearing. You keep saying you’re only just finishing your first staff 15 weeks in. I’m calling you out for your lies.
I didn’t, I called you out for being a liar and now you’re backtracking.
You’re the one who keeps saying casual guilds can’t finish them, when in reality, that’s not even remotely true. Are you okay?
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No it doesn’t? If you’re talking about the Shannox remark, that was in response to your claim that I’ve only killed one boss in Firelands - that being the heroic Rhyolith that we did this past Tuesday, the only heroic boss that we’ve even attempted, and that we will be attempting heroic Shannox this coming Tuesday
No. We. Haven’t. Stop trying to make up a narrative because you can’t grasp the reality
I literally never said that
So, to summarize, you’re refusing to believe reality, making up a narrative that’s easier to take down, and then calling me a liar because I’m pointing out that your made up narrative is exactly that?
There’s a political joke in there somewhere but that’s beneath me
You can complete the staff without doing any Heroic encounters.
Then your groups aren’t finishing the raid or raiding at all. They upped the drop, i even linked the blue post where you can make upwards of 4 staffs in 10 man - to which you quoted “killing all 7 bosses”, trying to imply you weren’t.
Completing raids every week, you’d have no choice but to finish staffs. You said you team is finishing their first on Tuesday.
So yes, you literally did say that. You’re trying to say you groups been raiding this entire phase - and somehow is only going to finish their FIRST staff on Tuesday??
What narrative? Those are exact quotes from you?
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You seem to have it stuck in your head that you can only kill every boss, or no bosses
We’ve been consistently clearing the raid since we split into 10 mans. That was about a month ago. That does not mean we were consistently, or even did at all, clearing the raid as 25, in fact I believe we only ever even got to Rag twice. That doesn’t mean we killed 0 bosses, but it does mean we progressed our staves slower, because the blue post you quoted said “killing all 7 bosses”. That’s called progression. We kill some, but not all bosses, each week, until we’ve acquired the ability and gear to consistently kill all of them, as we are now, but weren’t several weeks ago
Does this make sense to you now, or do I need to dumb it down further?
So, again, you would have tons of Embers/Cinders/Sucks already completed, therefore, you’d have more then one staff done. Again, this has nothing to do with the OP, you’re making it about yourself and doing a terrible job at lying about it.
Also, this would go back to you saying Firelands isn’t hard, then why do you struggle to apparently clear it (or not, depending on which post you read of yours since you keep changing it)
We know, we get it, you want to make it all about you and how you haven’t finished your staff so everyone should have to go back to Firelands to do it. That’s lame, people don’t want to do that now that Dragon Soul is out and a vendor contains most of the gear you get from Firelands.
Thanks for telling us how many bosses you kill each week, that’s still enough to make staffs. Even though you apparently didn’t say it?
#AddEmbersAndCindersToVendor
This all stems from me asking you why you thought people should have to go back to Firelands even though there’s a vendor for most of the gear. You have yet to share that answer, besides that you think people should have to.
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Do you think the other 10-man has no casters in their group or something? We had more than 3 casters in the 25 group
No, you are making it about me, and I still don’t understand why. Do you have some sort of hate-attraction to me? I’m flattered but not at all interested
So, the statement you said where you didn’t complete staffs is in fact, a lie? And the first one isn’t on Tuesday?
I’m making you type the things I quoted you saying…???
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Jesus Christ…the elemental shaman in our group is our first staff. The reason the other two casters in our group are only on cinders is because there were other casters ahead of them in the 25-man group
No, you keep making up nonsense about me that is completely unrelated to the topic and can’t wrap your head around that my personal staff progress has nothing to do with my opinion that legendaries should be legendary
Yeah, I don’t believe you. As i said earlier, you either just came back to the game, or your groups farther on staffs. If you’ve been running every week like you said earlier (Do i need to quote it again?) besides the 3 weeks YOU apparently missed, your group will still have several staffs done.
I’m talking about your groups progress, not your progress. According to you, if you only have 1 staff, and now you somehow have 25 Embers (assuming you do have 3 casters) then you’d already have someone done, chances are more.
I kept saying why to add it, you kept saying that people should go have to go back Firelands. I asked why and then you started to bring up casual guilds being on a different level and that they have less staffs. Which, directly supports my argument that the Cinders/Embers should be on the vendor.
Seriously, are you okay? You’re going in circles at this point. You are making it about you. We don’t care where you are on your staffs, your group sounds bad TBH if they only have one and for some reason are giving it to the enhance shaman over the healers in the group.
My point still stands, add the Embers/Cinders to the vendor and change the suck quest to be group wide.
You said they shouldn’t. I asked why, you said people need to go back for BiS items - by your own admission your groups casual - meaning - you’re not going back for BiS items (you even stated your group can’t kill the Heroic Bosses they drop from).
So again, why are you against it besides some weird #nochanges reason or gatekeeping?
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Yeah we’ve already been over you can’t comprehend reality
Why are you against it? Why do you keep telling us your group only has 0 staffs after raiding every week and making your first this week?
What reality are you living?
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We don’t have one staff, we’re getting our first staff this coming Tuesday, and I keep telling you that because that’s what’s happening
Then again, you haven’t been raiding Firelands every week.
Why are you against Embers/Cinders being added to the vendor? Because your groups struggled this whole phase or?
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I did tell you we’ve missed a couple of weeks due to people having things come up
Answer me this, genius: let’s assume you’re right and we did finish more staves before the group split - how then could that have happened if the raid group never downed 25-man Rag?