but at the right moment. And having SF is key to it in current AV. Maybe not in Vanilla but the horde was playing differently then. But today yes absolutely.
3 - yes that was always the case. But that is secondary for me. I say Sacrifice them if you have to as long as you can win the Match.
See. This is actually a good strategy unlike OP’s nonsense. Why TF would you skip SF gy and go all the way to IBGY and just let horde roll over SH/SF. This is how you just end up getting farmed at Stormpike for 30 minutes.
OP has to be a troll trying to throw off confused Alliance.
We never let you have ibgy because just about every time you guys cap it, we inevitably lose the game. Once we get people too far north, they refuse to come back and defend, so we gotta make sure that there is not sizable alliance offense to defend from.
What a waist of time. I dont know how long it took you to write this but everything you said is either WRONG or is already being done.
Why is it so freaking hard for you horde to understand that your win ratio has NOTHING to do with “how much better you are then alliance”. Its litterally the same type of people playing alliance as play horde.
Statistically it is almost impossible for a group of people to have a win rate as offset as horde without some type of built in advantage. In any balanced system there is almost a 0% chance of a sustained win rate of over 60%. PERIOD.
Why do we not see people complaining about horde dominance in WSG if horde are so much better then alliance? (Its not because of premades…horde premade WSG at the same rate alliance do. Try again.)
Horde have a huge map advantage in AV…in combination with the huge advantage they have with racials like WOTF and Hardiness why even try?
Dont talk about vanilla. People had no idea what racials even were. They didnt know how to use chokes or how to take advantage of turn ins. In addition 1.12 was not even a thing until a couple months before TBC. The increased presence of the mines and more difficult NPCs basically counter acted the placment of the caves and graveyards at Iceblood.
Basically, in a nutshell horde are not any better than alliance. You need to get over yourself thinking you have some kind of insight exclusive to your faction that makes you an expert in all things AV.
You said “…look how Horde does it. They first Cap SF…”
That’s often not true, and generally they don’t want to tag it unless Alliance does (although sometimes someone will, I think they prefer not to have it). Just saying that “look at what Horde does” is not really relevant on a map that isn’t mirrored.
I agree with you If all else is equal yes. But all else is not equal.
In that, alliance will be called to charge ibgy by BG leaders or others in the chat. From teh left from the Bunker.
All of them will go together, at this point there is maybe 1-3 AFK people that can be seen.
The attack fails and then, more than half of the alliance stop fighting.
This is being discussed for a week or two now by many in these very forums ya.
Yesterday I was in a match fighting and turn around and see that we are actually 5-10 people fighting the Horde and we had like another 5 on their mounts doing nothing and looking at us.
I asked them “why you are not fighting” and I got an insult as a response.
So you know what maybe a crazy thought here? That we have some really disingenuous people who play two accounts on horde and Alliance and queue in to the Alliance account to screw up every single game that they can so that the horde Wins.
Note: I played 20 AV games yesterday, and MOST of them were the same thing. 1/3 to 1/2 of the people stop fighting after 10 minutes.
So yes I agree with you, that an advantage is needed, but not necessarily a built in one at this point, the fact that half alliance stop fighting is a Huge advantage for the horde.
Not in all the game I played since 2 weeks, and I played allot, yesterday same thing over and over.
Whenever we manager to push for SF (since we have to deal with the people pushing “Ibgy with a hard Left”, the Horde prioritized and sent more than 30 to come and retake it.
We won in one of the games only because people actually fought more than usual, we did not have people giving up or stopping to fight in that one game, and all battles in SF and repelled the Horde. However, the alliance made another mistake. No one trinketed back to defend SP and DB.
So the horde failing to take SF, just abandoned and all headed to SP and DB ASAP before we could push too far south We were at contesting Frostwolf at that point.
You want to talk about a conspiracy theory…Thius is the worst one I have ever heard.
Yea Im sure that enough horde want to screw allianc eup so bad that there are 10 or 15 horde “spys” in every game deliberatly trying to screw the alliance up.
Its not that I dont think people wouldn’t do it. I just dont think there is enough insentive to:
Buy an extra account
Level a character on that account to 51
spend time queing BOTH horde and alliance accounts trying to sync an instant queue and a 1+ hour long queue
Just to win a game. Its not happening…
And if you think it is you are a fool
Then you dont agree with me.
The hordes map advantage CREATES the metality that alliance shouldn’t even try.
Alliance afks are compounded by the map advantage…
I dont think its impossible for alliance to win but we are put are a severe disadvantage in AV and it is extremely hard to get the upper hand.
GET A CLUE. and post on your horde toon.
If you guys get set up at SF, there’s not really anything we can do to get you off it. Then you have a solid spawn point to push Galv, IBT, IBGY, and TP from, and Horde are forced to spend the rest of the game on defense while the 5-10 people left on offense slowly try to cap all your bunkers and kill your NPCs.
Fortunately for Horde, Alliance always try to zerg around SF instead of capping it, and by the time 4-5 Alliance try to cap SF we send a big group to wipe you guys off it, because we know how bad it is for us if we let you have it.
Hahah, I said it was a crazy thought. In this day and age everything is possible The question is how plausible it is.
I have trouble accepting this. The map was the Same in vanilla. I was playing the Same Map and alliance was Winning at least half the games.
I remember Fights at the Bridge Raging, fervent, determined PvPers. Defense and Offense focused on their goals. Communicating. Going back when needed recapping etc. I am talking about PUGS here.
And all I see now is Quilters unwilling to put some effort in to fighting, unwilling ro recall when needed. Unwilling to defend Flag poles or Retake them should they get contested.
Look at the behavior when SP gets taken, NO ONE changes back to retake it. In vanilla all of the Respawns in the Cave would do this
Immediately RUSH SP to re-flip it before it gets captured by the Horde.
None of that here…
So I am sorry but your theory is equally implausible, unless, Alliance people are in the Majority new people and someone has put in their heads that the Map gives and advantage to the horde somehow.
lol you got GM doing PVE mate, mostly so get off your high horse. And you’re totally wrong about SFGY as @Döt says. Who is ALSO GM.
Its great that you’re talking about Ally fighting back but pray tell me - why, if Horde have SFGY AND IBGY would they continue to let you take mid and not wipe you at galv and/or cap SHGY?
There are two different jumps horde do to get into the back of the base every game. Usually a dozen or two of them take this exploit every game to sit in bunkers.
I guess every game is different. I have a rogue alt I posted there one game with cat eye steath goggles to count and it was close to two dozen horde entries through the entrance you just hop up. GG
The question is how plausible it is.