Yup, I subbed back, but I wont be buying BFA again. I refunded it in disgust, quit and now im back screwing around in the lower levels.
Fire ION and i’ll buy it.
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I would never fire Ion. He is great at encounter designing which was what he was hired to do in WOTLK. He’s responsible for all of the 4.3 instances everyone loved, ICC and probably the Mekka fight in BOD. I would certainly NOT fire someone who does cool stuff like that.
With that being said, it’s clear he’s in over his head and nothing he’s’ doing is working.
Yeah. I’m mostly in agreement with this.
I feel like the rep unlock thing should have been a pre-release bonus only. Like, “Here’s some of BFA’s Allied Races, but before BFA comes out”, and then after that, only locking the allied races behind the storyline- not a rep grind.
I want people to do the story quests once to just get context as to why these races are showing up, but that’s it. And that’d be content they’re doing anyway as they level (except in the case of the Kul Tiran unlock is absurd).
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Yeah, so you and your guild could (blank).
Not so you could start a new char at level 20 and get it up to max level to then (blank). And if you had wanted to do it on that character instead, you could have leveled it first, then done the grind.
I have the races I want, as I said above. I’m not asking for anything. I’m just saying this excuse is silly at best, indefensible at worst. “You’ve always had to grind” and “MMOs are made to grind” yes we know, but that grind has never been in order to grind the same grind anew on a character you could not choose to grind it on the first time even if you wanted to.
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You’re in luck then. In vanilla it was:
- Log in
- Choose race
- Level new race
Pretty sweet, right?
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Actually right up until BfA it was…
- Log in
- Choose race
- Watch cinematic
- Level new race
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Does Blizzard consider the allied races as a reward? If so, then ya, doing something to earn it is pretty standard. Be it one long massive affair (rep grind/quest chain) or something as easy as talking to someone. If they view it that way, then nothing you can really do.
Also, if I remember right, when Lich King launched, you had to have a lvl 55 character on your account just to be able to make a DK. I don’t remember that being much of a problem, and that was part of the Lich King advertisement. Wasn’t Demon Hunter much the same way with Legion? I can’t honestly remember.
And of those requirements have changed, then let me know, because I honestly haven’t tried in years.
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Dude, this is it.
They’re literally left with farmers and people who spend money on cash mounts.
That’s all thats left.
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I think it’s crazy how people can defend the allied race unlock requirements. All other expac races in the game have been playable at character generation and they’ve had just as much work put into them if not more than most of the allied races. You can say that it’s easy to unlock and only takes 2-3 weeks casually to get the rep, but you must ask if this would have flied in BC, Cata, MoP. Is it acceptable to have the unlock requirements be arbitrary busy work from outdated content that is just another thinly veiled attempt to inflate time played? “Oh but Blizzard clearly stated all the unlock requirements and said KT/Zandalari would be coming SOON ™.” Here’s a reality check, people rarely ever read the fine print. Most don’t watch Wowhead or MMOchamp like hawks for blueposts and at best just skim the expac features or watch the opening cinematic, then go purchase the game. There are also many who just want to jump into a game and be surprised. Do you really think in the BfA TV commercials that they’d explicitly state that KT/Zander, one of the MAIN sellng points of the expac, wouldn’t be available until 6-8 months after launch? The allied races as they are now are only a mechanism the devs use to be able to put in less effort than they’ve had in the past in order to string along subs to appease shareholders. It is but one part of an unsustainable system.
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This whole reputation grind system is a farce – I’ve fought for the horde for over 12 years yet i still need to be exalted with Honorbound with my own kin. Such a travesty in story telling if you ask me.
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It isn’t an excuse, just an explanation that the Allied races are new and no one should be suprised that there are different requirements from the base races. Rep grinds are not new, that is the point. There have always been things locked behind Rep. What is silly in my opinion is the false equivalency people are trying to draw between the normal races and Allied races which are a new feature.
Some people don’t like the requirements for Allied race unlocks, and that is fine. But to try and say there shouldn’t be different requirements because the base races didn’t require rep is, in my opinion, a false equivalency.
And I say this is a false equivalency. There have always been things locked behind rep for the character that needed that rep.
So, agree to disagree, I guess.
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Let me clarify - Allied Race requirement aren’t the SOLE reason BFA has lost a lot of subscriptions. There are other major fundamental design flaws and issues due to which people are leaving which I’m not going to get into in this thread and which everyone already knows (azurite system, lack of meaningful world content, warfronts, islands etc.)
Also, I’m dead sure the 50% number is accurate - Players are leaving in droves, Guilds are dying left and right, guilds simply don’t have enough people who log on a consistent basis and even during the activation quarterly call they mentioned there was a big drop in wow subscription numbers post BFA launch (although they didn’t give official numbers)
Just use common sense - we all know subscription for BFA isn’t anywhere near legion levels let alone wrath levels and everyone knows this. Point is whether it’s a 50% decrease, 40% decrease or even a 30% decrease - There is an overall substantial decrease all around in sub numbers for BFA period YET Ion’s refusal to unlock the Allied races after all this is what’s confusing to me.
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I’ve unlocked all but 1 of the races available now so it’s not a mater of laziness for me. I don’t have major heartburn with requiring rep but that rep A. Shouldn’t be behind gates, B. Dungeons should award rep like they did in Legion so if you wanted to grind Dungeons for rep you could and C. The story line for each area should grant more rep so that by completing all of the quests in that area you should end up at least with the beginning of the final leg to Exalted. As for Heritage armor, to require doing an alt up to 110 is BS. Many of us are already full housed with alts. What should have happened is the way they did the heritage armor for Blood Elves and Dwarves and that is run their own short quest-line.
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They just had their best successful year earnings wise, yet laid off 800 of the working employees that had a huge part in achieving that.
You really think they care what players think about AR’s being locked behind time-gated Exalted reputations?
Zandalari and KT’s are not even live yet and we are 7 months into BFA.
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I agree with C all the way. So annoying to finish the storyline in a zone and only be in to honored with that faction.
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Alliance is dead. Horde is not.
I did the required grind for the allied races and currently awaiting the next 2. I would like to have the heritage armor but I’m not doing that grind because I’d have more fun sitting in a dentist chair getting a root canal. Games are suppose to be fun, they shouldn’t feel like a chore.
How about a nice long engaging quest line instead of a mindless grind to lvl cap and than do it all over again 5 more times.
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The nightborne look exactly the same as night elves. It’s literally the same model and skin color. The only unique model they made for allied races so far is kultirans. That’s why it’s taken so long for them to be ready.
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Very true. Great point. It’s almost as if they are intentionally removing the RPG aspect of this game.