Alliance needs better pvpers

[Snipy-faerlina]

I sometimes think you are somewhat obtuse

Based on feedback, I’d say that’s probably an understatement! Though, it’s not on purpose.

I’m actually extremely surprised that more people aren’t incredibly excited by the fact that there is an imbalance, and aren’t rally together to create guilds, and overcome it! Being the underdog is incredibly motivating, as there is no real possibility of feeling loss; if you lose a 10 v 30, well of course… you did your best, but you were out numbers. But if you win! Wow, what victory!!!

Your 14 v 34 sounds like you’ve experienced that for yourself

if you haven’t felt the pressure cooker that is against extreme odds all of the time then you can’t really relate to the frustration that many Alliance players are feeling right now.

That’s a fair point.

Blizzard knew that the majority of its playerbase prefers horde.

Is that so? Was that the case from private servers, and was I wrong to assume that any popularity on the Horde side in Retail was due to Blood Elves?

It definitely surprises me that Horde is dominant on many servers. I do understand that PVP racials are a thing, but even on PVP servers, I’d be surprised if the majority are there for PVP anyway.

The point is they don’t do anything, and even the things they have done have only made it worse.

Well, the quick reactions (if that’s what they were) to offer transfers, and then to limit transfers to one faction may have made the imbalance worse.

Since this has been the first weekend since Honor has been enabled, I’m curious to see how things progress from here.

Horde players (including lowbies like your 22 hunter that are still leveling) can move from one continent to the other freely without having to enter a contested zone. Alliance players cannot. That’s why they are in the Wetlands.

Yeah, I was actually looking up leveling zones today, as I spent a great deal of today trying to better understand this problem, and noticed that while the Barrens is an uncontested Horde zone, and Horde can level to 30~ there, Alliance have mostly contested zones to level in from about ~20.

[Soya-felstriker]

Gotta love these dimwits who roll an overcrowded faction, and when they 10 vs 1 zerg flight paths pretend that their pvp skill on display.

Real pvpers don’t need racials to carry them, but alas thats not the majority of horde who would rather sit in BG queues for 30+ minutes to ensure they outnumber the opposition in wpvp

[Tiesun-benediction]

Horde can level to 30~ there, Alliance have mostly contested zones to level in from about ~20.

Wetlands and Redridge should have been friendly zones. I don’t think there are any horde quest givers in either of these locations.

[Snipy-faerlina]

Wetlands and Redridge should have been friendly zones.

Yeah, I didn’t actually realize they were not Alliance zones, until I looked it up today.

[Veshzi-fairbanks]

I’m actually extremely surprised that more people aren’t incredibly excited by the fact that there is an imbalance, and aren’t rally together to create guilds, and overcome it! Being the underdog is incredibly motivating, as there is no real possibility of feeling loss; if you lose a 10 v 30, well of course… you did your best, but you were out numbers. But if you win! Wow, what victory!!!

Your 14 v 34 sounds like you’ve experienced that for yourself

Yes, that’s 100% why our guild is here as Alliance, on Fairbanks. We knew we would be outnumbered-- a little. But its becoming much worse now.

It definitely surprises me that Horde is dominant on many servers. I do understand that PVP racials are a thing, but even on PVP servers, I’d be surprised if the majority are there for PVP anyway.

While you may be surprised, Blizzard wasn’t surprised, and you can’t reject that. In my many years of playing WoW (on both factions) two things have shown themselves:

1. Pvp tryhards will go wherever the perceived advantage is.
2. Casual players will go wherever the perceived “winning side” is.

Its easy to roll PVP on a realm in which you will almost assuredly always have the numbers advantage. It’s easy to then claim to be some great player that overcame the hurdles that a pvp realm brings. That’s why its easy for even casual players to roll Horde on a pvp realm.

[Volitar-burning-blade (Volitar)]

only gets better and better the larger the number of combatants is.

Its capped at 5 targets in vanilla.

and it’s not even the best racial Tauren has.

[Glaive-kirtonos]

Is that so? Was that the case from private servers, and was I wrong to assume that any popularity on the Horde side in Retail was due to Blood Elves?

It definitely surprises me that Horde is dominant on many servers. I do understand that PVP racials are a thing, but even on PVP servers, I’d be surprised if the majority are there for PVP anyway.

Yes it was, but PSes implemented faction locked character creation specifically to prevent this.

Look I’d like to propose a simple point. WoW on a pvp server is a pvp game.

What other pvp game does NOT enforce team numbers balance, and do you think there’s a reason for that?

[Snipy-faerlina]

@Veshzi-fairbanks

Yes, that’s 100% why our guild is here as Alliance, on Fairbanks. We knew we would be outnumbered-- a little. But its becoming much worse now.

Would your guild be interested in being part of The Balance Movement?

@Snipy-faerlina

My solution is to find a server where there really is a faction imbalance, and create a guild on that server called <Balance> . To recruit people, including students and those transitioning from other fields, into IT, PR, Marketing, Software Development, and Content Creation, and to make a concerted effort to grow a community.

@Wrecksly-sulfuras

I had initially thought about Sulfuras, which incidentally is balanced about equally with Whitemane.

[Veshzi-fairbanks]

Would your guild be interested in being part of The Balance Movement?

You seem like a good kid, lol.

Perhaps it would be better for you to come to Fairbanks, as Alliance. I’ll invite you to our guild and you can get to know who some of us really are.

We can chat it up in the discord. You can learn that many of us came from private servers, and that we came here specifically as Alliance to a realm that we were in the minority.

You can learn that even though… yes… Horde has better racials… Alliance has Paladins. In the hands of a very good player we actually believe that Paladins are the true strongest factor in deciding an (otherwise) even pvp battle.

p.s. It seems we have been part of The Balance Movement longer than you have.

p.p.s. My btag is Vesh#1474. Hmu if serious.

[Tiesun-benediction]

Yeah, I didn’t actually realize they were not Alliance zones, until I looked it up today.

And redridge connects directly with a level 50+ zone, making it an easy target for high level players to get to and grief people as low as 16-17. The horde can get to 28-30 in the barrens and then spam SM til 45. They have the choice to not be flagged until level 45, there is no alliance equivalent.

You can get to 32 or so in safe zones on alliance side. But the dungeons and gear/xp you get from them is no where near as good as whats available to horde in their friendly territory.

[Insect-earthfury-756139]

“Horde, just stop using your advantages in PvP and maybe us Alliance will have a better chance!” This is by far the silliest thing I’ve read in the Classic forums in some time, and there’s been some rather silly things posted as of late. Nobody’s going to willingly handicap themselves in world PvP just so the opposing faction feels better about themselves. LOL.

Two can play at that game.

1. Humans, don’t use Perception to detect rogues, eliminating their opener, their one thing that gives them any real advantage in PvP.
2. Dwarves, don’t use Stoneform to get rid of ALL bleeds, diseases, and poisons on yourself. Yeah, especially you rogues… how dare you be able to re-stealth a little bit easier!
3. Gnomes, don’t use your 1 minute cooldown Escape Artist to dispel roots and snares! NO!
4. Night Elves, don’t use Shadowmeld for ambushing unsuspecting foes!!! How dare you??? … Okay, Shadowmeld kinda sucks in vanilla WoW, but you get my point… I hope.

I’m still laughing. Oh, man.

[Snipy-faerlina]

whats available to horde in their friendly territory.

Dungeon-wise, you have: RFC, WC, SFK, RFK, RFD, SM:all, vs what? Deadmines and Stockades?

[Tiesun-benediction]

Dungeon-wise, you have: RFC, WC, SFK, RFK, RFD, SM:all, vs what? Deadmines and Stockades?

Yes

Deadmines runs out of steam around level 24 and Stockades has virtually zero gear.

[Snipy-faerlina]

virtually zero gear

C’mon, that cool eye-patch?

There are clearly more dungeons in Horde territory.

[Glaive-kirtonos]

I note that you missed this:

Yes it was, but PSes implemented faction locked character creation specifically to prevent this.

Look I’d like to propose a simple point. WoW on a pvp server is a pvp game.

What other pvp game does NOT enforce team numbers balance, and do you think there’s a reason for that?

[Javaguy-arugal]

roll Ally and prove the possibility of your solution

[Wrecksly-sulfuras]

Someone is reading between the lines

[Breakjoo-aggramar]

I’m leveling dammit

[Excalidor-arugal]

Yes I’m sure the barbarians needed better warriors when they were faced up against numerous legions of Roman soldiers.

[Oftheclaw-bigglesworth]

I’ve literally killed level 60s on my 55, even in 2v2 situations (with other 50s) so I think you are just clueless as to how reality functions. If anything the horde is worse at pvp, just because it has so many (bad) players.