Read my posts. I’m actually quite surprised you would even ask that.
Do you feel this is an issue? Is there any reason to believe that having better faction balance would make any difference?
Do you just intentionally dodge questions or did you really miss what I was referring to?
Faerlina is a streamer server, and from what I’ve seen is actually more balanced. Though that’s old data. It helps that there’s a few big streamers on the Alliance side.
Whitemane is absolutely dominated by Horde, and it’s worse on other servers.
Do I feel like having more even populations would make a difference when it comes to representation in the world?
Do you even think about the questions you ask before you ask them?
No doubt.
And yeah, the old WoWHead data…
The Ironforge.Pro data shows Whitemane at roughly 40/60, which is similar to what it shows for Faerlina. That’s based on the past two weeks of Raid Logs. I’m not sure what the Wowhead data was based on.
I do!
That’s not the question I was asking. Perhaps I should have been more specific.
You said:
Perhaps I could have asked my question this way:
Do you feel that having more of a balance would mean that when Alliance gained advantage in an area, more Horde would not show up? Would that issue then be resolved?
Raid logs are not a legitimate form of data collection since the majority of players are not 60, and even amongst those that are, many do not raid.
I recommend you set that tool aside.
It would be more accurate to say that if the horde could not ALWAYS (seemingly) outnumber Alliance in wpvp situations NO MATTER how many we bring or how well coordinated we are.
We aren’t asking to win all the time, but truly I tell you, and I am not alone in this, that it seems as if the horde has a seemingly bottomless number of 60s to call upon, and thus no pvp solution is possible.
Edit: AND the last ACCURATE data agrees.
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40/60 is a huge discrepancy, and it’s not the worst.
You really don’t sound like it.
I find it amusing you say this when you constantly dodge questions.
It’d be more likely that the Horde wouldn’t have such a clear advantage with such long-term stability.
Saqe thread tho.
That simply isn’t what I observed today on Alliance characters. I posted about one of my experiences on Stalagg. Sure that was only the Wetlands, and not representative of all encounters. I’ll make better notes next time, should I spend a full day again going to different servers to observe the climates.
However, what I did observe was that in most of the cases, where I saw PVP happening on PVP servers, it was relatively small numbers (fewer than 10 mostly - fewer than 20 always - I did not go to particularly high level zones), and in most cases the Horde numbers were smaller than the Alliance, though the Alliance did not seem to be often very organized, and the Horde definitely was.
Wetlands is close to the biggest Alliance city and one of its main ports, while far from pretty much any Horde city. Of course it’s going to be an outlier… it’s also not Dustwallow or Burning Steppes or Searing Gorge. Steppes and Gorge are actually closer to Alliance cities, but given their endgame relevance Horde actually have a reason to be there.
I was looking at Stalagg and Skeram as roughly 30/70, according to that data source.
And yeah, 4 vs 6 is a pretty large difference. If that were an arena match, even with a relative difference of skill levels, the 6 would have a significant advantage.
If I have dodged questions, I am sorry. I don’t mean to. Please call me out on it!
So you agree that being outnumbered puts you at a disadvantage.
Uh. I have. Still not really answering them.
OK. Where would you recommend? I only went there, because it was literally recommended as a place for me to go to observe the imbalance.
Please quote them, and I’ll address them promptly.
Absolutely.
Here ill break it down for you by type and tier for pvp racials:
Melee:
1: Human, UD
2: Orc, Troll, Tauren
3: Dwarf, Elf
4: Gnome
Caster:
1: Troll, UD
2: Gnome, Orc
3: Human
Healer:
- Dwarf, UD
- Human, Troll
- Elf
UD WoTF makes them tier 1 every class type. Alliance racials usually gimp certian classes types ie Gnome melee, and NE are only usefull as druid. Alliance has better PVE racials, but thats not this discussion. No horde race is the worst at their class, they are either top tier or decent at everything pvp related.
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I’ve read your posts in various threads for a few days now. I must admit, I like your style although I sometimes think you are somewhat obtuse in your Socratic line of questioning.
But to the point at hand…
The biggest problem with PVP realms (all except Heartseeker) is that they are either a little- or a lot- horde dominated in population.
I happen to be on Fairbanks. I have 2 max level toons and another on the way. We have been listed as a 60:40 horde majority, although (anecdotal) experience is showing us that its more heavily horde favored than that, and sadly it might be getting worse.
With the recent decision to move all realms to a single layer, they opened up free transfers away from the large realms (like Fairbanks) and sadly only alliance were leaving (to escape the imbalance, thereby exacerbating it.) Blizz has since stopped this (at least for free) and now only Horde has access to the free transfers.
So yea, we’re outnumbered here. But not outplayed-- not by a long shot. My friends and I here in the guild “Entitled” regularly make jokes amongst ourselves about how terrible the Horde players happen to be, when we routinely rout them even without a numbers advantage. Sometimes even at noticeable disadvantage.
Yesterday our team (as a raid of 14) managed to wipe a horde raid of 34 (as evidenced by the Spy addon.) Of course, within 10 minutes, we’re not against 34 anymore but instead more like 74. So if you haven’t felt the pressure cooker that is against extreme odds all of the time then you can’t really relate to the frustration that many Alliance players are feeling right now.
Blizzard knew that the majority of its playerbase prefers horde. They have years of empirical evidence they have been keeping for over 15 years now. They could have limited certain populations by account numbers (to keep realms within a certain amount of balance) or they could even the queue system (when we have a login queue) to help keep the factions balanced. Who knows, they might actually have better ideas than that. The point is they don’t do anything, and even the things they have done have only made it worse.
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Here is a thing of very specific evidence that you may or may not have noticed about your observations:
Horde players (including lowbies like your 22 hunter that are still leveling) can move from one continent to the other freely without having to enter a contested zone. Alliance players cannot. That’s why they are in the Wetlands.
Not only that, but they can choose whether they want to go to the north or south end of the continent.
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I’ve been smashing rogues/ferals with my OP perception. It’s SOOOOO ridiculously crappy. =)