LOL you miss the point, The reasons charcters like Shandris and Genn and other leaders are made to agree with Anduin is simply to try wrap up the story.
It makes no sense for Shandris to simply forgive the Horde for committing genocide against her race. Especially when those responsible for it are still members for the Horde(the Sylvanas loyalists)
the writers simply are being lazy.
Hereâs sort of the issue. Due to the fact that the entire Horde could have been written out entirely of Legion an you would have barely have had to change a thing, the Horde is in this weird spot where we actually havenât had a positive, feel good, powerful story about our faction ⊠since Cata. And even then, that was iffy in a lot of parts. âHorde Expansionsâ always come heavily at the expense of the Faction ⊠its interesting how abusive Blizzâs writing of the Horde really is.
Also, the topic of this thread is how the Alliance should develop independent of the Horde. Are you suggesting that the Horde not be allowed the same opportunity?
Part of that is just bad writing the alliance and horde feel good moments have tended to just anger people because of how poorly written some of them have been. It just turns into a who has had it worse argument most of the time.
Ill stand by the point that the Alliance is the neglected child, locked in a closet and forgotten whenever daddy Blizz has too much to drink. The Horde is the abused child, getting nice little beatings in daddy Blizzâs drunken haze. Both sides think the other side has it better, but in truth we both have it really bad.
If the guilty were defeated and the horde is punishing them too, I just donât think thereâs enough story to remain angry against them. If Saurfang survived, sure.
edit: EVEN BETTER! If Saurfang had killed Malfurion and survived his encounter with Sylvanas.
edit: EVEN BETTER THAN THAT! If the horde player killed another Proudmoore.
I think this is more accurate considering Volâjinâs impact.
This would be development of the Alliance independent of the Horde. It would be up to the horde to decide if they would react to the Alliance reclaiming Ashenvale, Gilneas and Arathi and pushing their forces out. Its simply reclaiming alliance homes and securing them against further Horde aggression.
The Horde needs to basically develop itself to be the better person in the situation. To not react violently back to the Alliance prodding them with some aggression. If they canât do that they will always be the bad guy. they should focus on getting their people out safely and reducing the losses they incur without provoking a more violent aggression from the Alliance. Let the Alliance get a little morally grey for once.
The Horde can rebuild as well. They just need to do it in their own zones rather than trying to build on Alliance lands. However Really only the Forsaken need a home, most other races in the horde have capitals already that are fine.
We use some of them, but not all of them and neither at their full potential.
Remember the windrunners sisters? yeah one not even got a single line of dialogue in all of bfa at the other stayed afk for the whole xpac in a boat and said some vague stuff.
that is what i am talking about, we do have the characters, use them, all of them and at their full potential
muradin is other example now is just your generic dwarf when in wc3 he had a lot of personality.
he is one of the wc3 legends ffs! : p
But youâre still basing the Hordeâs development based on the Alliance. Rather than the Horde developing into something of its own, its more important that it develop into something convenient for the Blue Team. As for Horde Lands ⊠thats always been an interesting topic. Back in Vanilla nearly 70 percent of the original continents were Alliance controlled; and those territories the Horde held were some of the harshest landscapes on Azeroth to live. There is a strange irony of a growing faction that has little to no room to grow.
Ideally, with the Helm of Dominationâs destruction giving an opportunity to the Forsaken for giving a future to their people; by going back to their roots. And with the remaining Troll tribes implied to be joining under the Darkspear and Zandalari in the Horde in Shadowlands ⊠Northrend should be where the Horde is allowed to expand. The Eastern side of that continent is rather fertile and rich in resources ⊠and since the Scourge wiped most of those territories clean; there is little in the way of natural populations to compete with. There is opportunity there.
Zones like Tanaris; Ungoro Crater; Desolace; and perhaps even Stonetalon also may be up for grabs. The Alliance seems to have very little investment in any of them since the Garrosh years; and the Tauren have had a fairly solid presence in the latter two for quite some time. Though, the Kalimdor territories are more iffy depending on how many EK territories the Alliance take back. Silverpine? Hillsbrad? Arathi? Gilneas?
From a gameplay standpoint, i highly doubt the horde gets anything in northrend for the same reason we wont get highmountain or suramar.
The Zones in Northrend are tied to the story of wrath of the lich king.
Changing classic zones is one thing, each zone exists as a separate entity and are not really tied to one another.
I donât think the alliance really needs all that much in the lore in the eastern kingdoms. Realistically most of Arathi plus maybe south shore and a more solid hold on their part of the hinterlands is all ally will get unless the horde gets all of kalimdor. Gameplay whise I donât think there will be any major changes.
I feel you donât realise how different the landscape looks like in the current game. The Alliance holds no uncontested zones in Kalimdor anymore(except azuremyst), infact the only settlement of note is feathermoon hold.
The Eastern kingdoms doesnât fare much better, in the south the Alliance has one keep in swamp of sorrows which was marshtide watch. next closest town that isnât destroyed is Goldshire and lakeshire. In the north part we have Aeire peak in a contested zone and arathi. The only zone that isnât contested is wetlands and Menthil harbor is under water. The Horde basically holds more territory in the eastern kingdoms than the alliance does.
The Alliance really needs something back as outside the middle of the eastern kingdoms everything is pretty much horde controlled.
Cool so lets have the Horde move their homes far away from the Alliance, Let them all move to Northrend then and tame the north. They can spend eternity fighting the never ending armies of the Scourge in order to repent for their crimes against the rest of Azeroth. The blood elves can settle boreal tundrea and deal with the arcane issues at the nexus. the Orcs can settle in dragonblight.
You could argue the horde have been wiped out outside of central kalimdor as well I think both factions are worn down although their are a few ally cities that should definitely be brought back
I feel like one problem with the Allianceâs internal development as separate from the Horde is that its existence started, and mostly still is, as a defensive coalition against the Horde.
If the Horde wasnât there to attack it (and oh how Blizzard loves writing that over and over), then thereâs little reason for the Alliance to stick together as more than slightly friendly acquaintances.
Thereâs a lot of societal cohesion between Alliance subfactions, sure, but even that is largely due to their theme of âgood-guyâ passive acceptance which simply never explores the conflicts they might otherwise have.
And trying to blend the subfactions together even more is probably just going to trigger more of a pushback over homogenizing the faction.
And if they take that route, it wouldnât be long until we get a new model update which makes every Alliance player into a literal clone of Anduin. 
Probably everyone on Azeroth will be too busy fighting rampaging Scourge while we are in the Shadowlands. Apparently both factions are going to be struggling to find enough forces to keep the undead at bay after having so many losses in BfA.
Probably be a patch window between Nâzoth being defeated and The Scourge invasion they can investigate some rebuilding on either side.
Donât get your hopes up. Gelbinâs been standing under a tarp in the snow for nine years now.
3.5 maybe but we arenât going to have anything close to the type of overhaul people are suggesting. It doesnât sound like it is a huge amount of time between the fight against Nâzoth and the breaking of the Helm.
Now those are just unrealistic expectations
The Alliance really is a shadow of its former self, We have been beaten back on all fronts since the beginning of wow. As Alliance cities and towns are blown up and destroyed to show how evil the next new bad is.
We have an 18 year old high king more concerned with appeasing the horde than saving the Alliance. The whole faction being used a plot device so with nothing we do mattering because this story is about the Horde.
Blizzard have stripped out the themeâs of the Alliance races such as druids, paladins and mages then shifted them off to neutral factions. Even The horde has had more development within these neutral groups than the alliance.
The writers care so little for the Alliance in the story that we seem to basically be withering away to nothing.
The Horde can complain they get the Villian bat but id take that gladly take that to being basically a shadow of the faction the Alliance was. Because whats the point of being the good guy if your faction basically ends up defeated.