Yeah yeah yeah, dance and weave, duck and dive. “12.5k forum posts” as if that meant anything. The fallacy of ad hominem, if you can’t attack the message, attack the messenger (i.e. number of posts).
The fallacy of ad hominem has been recognized for over 2,000 years as the dying gasp of someone who knows they lost an argument. You will never give us a reason why this is a problem because you can’t.
All you had to do is level your main then leveling alts was very easy through “Threads of Fate”. Throw in a few dungeons and it was even easier. You can’t argue against that so all you’ve got left is attacking me personally.
Yes there is, and that is why you are attacking me personally instead of attacking my argument which you claim is so weak. The fallacy of ad hominem, if you can’t attack the message, attack the messenger.
You will never give us an argument as to why leveling alts and “pulling the rip cord” didn’t solve all the problems in SL that you are complaining about.
Everything you say is a deflection. You never address the actual facts. I can’t “attack” a fact.
You can’t even get what I’m complaining about right. I’ve stated it multiple times and you still won’t even acknowledge what I’m talking about. You constantly prove you’re beyond all reasonable discussion.
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Here is an actual fact. In SL Season 1, after you leveled your main you could use Threads of Fate to quickly level three alts and you would have someone in each of the four covenants. Then they “pulled the rip cord” and you didn’t even have to do that.
Those are actual facts which you can’t counter which is why you just keep attacking me personally.
And yes I know what you are complaining about. You can’t counter the facts that destroy your argument so you are complaining how much you dislike the arguments that I am making.
But hey, prove me wrong. Once you had alts covering the other three covenants and the “rip cord” was pulled, how did covenants prevent you from having the best power of the four given?
you cany pay me to run choreghast.
Because it was terrible. I have a whole bunch of stuff yet to do there but I will never be able to bring myself to do it. Maybe in 5 years I will have forgotten how much I hated it.
The zones in Shadow Lands were fun to quest in. However to me they felt like zones that they couldn’t put in any other expansion and decided to use them for an after life.
Yep. The WW zones are bland with nothing going on. I spend more time doing older content now because the new zones offer nothing. Such a shame.
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He’s called the Banished One by the major Covenant figures. Banished to the Maw. So effectively they do call him the prisoner of the Maw.
I actually loved the Legion/SL version of legendary items. Acquisition was terrible in both though. I liked that you got them from doing ANY content in Legion but they shoulda just dropped a token to turn in for a legendary of your choice rather than it being more efficient to just make a new character if your first 1 or 2 weren’t BiS.
SL made your grind torghast and that…sucked. Torghast coulda been a great new game mode but they just dropped the ball and made you spend a lot of time there anyway.
I liked SL when it was current because I preferred classes then compared to classes now. I also liked many of the zones much better. Many of the Covenant abilities were really fun but that might have been just because they were a strong button to press.
I quite liked Ardenweald as a zone but the story was a massive letdown that had to move to the side to tell the Night Elf story. They made a whole cinematic for Ara’lon just for us to accidentally kill him. “Oopsie-poopsie”
Baston was good, Maldraxxus was good, but I did not care for Revendreath. I don’t care for the early cinema depiction of vampires. (or the modern really)
I far prefer these zones over anything since. Something just hasn’t felt right about them. Maybe that’s just the Dragonriding/whatever-it’s-called though.
I liked doing torghast occasionally with an alt with low gear, figuring out what combination of powers I could use to barely manage the final boss. But I also get the same feeling with delves early on in the season (solo).
No man, nothing in SL was good until maybe the fated season.
I always liked Shadowlands. I guess I can be one of the few who did.
Everything in SL was designed to be tedious. Anima, covenants, torghast, the maw, korthia, world quests, travel between zones, travel within zones (before flying). The list goes on. All tedious beyond reason. Which led to these two facts:
SL was a poorly received expansion.
SL drove players away.
You can’t dispute these two facts no matter what you say. Because they are facts and they don’t care about how you feel.
I have you on ignore but I took a peek at this post since I saw so many collapsed posts in this thread and I wanted to see the buzz was.
I’ll just say… I don’t care? I don’t care if other people don’t like something I like. For instance, I don’t care if Retail players don’t like Season of Discovery, I’m having a ton of fun with it and many others are enjoying it with me.
Honestly, I would say the biggest problem with Shadowlands was that they tried experimental design concepts in the context of their “main game”, while their main game has historically been somewhat safe and undaring. They’ve struck gold with this split of Retail and SoD though - Retail can be generic Raid + Dungeon + Collectible simulator, while they can push the bounds with SoD.
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The after life is always supposed to be this big, grand, perspective changing thing that mortal minds can’t even comprehend.
To find out it’s whatever SL gave us is disappointing. An after life that’s even dumber and worse than life itself? If that is the true after life, my character would do everything they could, no matter how villainous, to be immortal. Necromancy and lichdom should be acceptable practices based on SL.
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Thats sort of the point… the whole not being able to comprehend thing, people focus on what it isn’t because their view of an afterlife is so tainted by the way they’ve previously been shown what it should be.
Its a robotic world designed to delay the cessation of life. Its not this glorious place where you are rewarded for your convictions in life, or punished for your transgressions, its an extension of who you were for the purpose of allowing robots to learn about what makes life “less robotic”. There is no god waiting to catch you on a pillow when you fall, at best you’ll get plugged into a machine so robots can study you, at worst you’re allowed to die, your soul goes poof like arthas’ and the memories of you are enough to inspire others to not pursue becoming a test dummy for the robots.
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TL;DR
You better be doing SL content with ground riding only, if you use any form of flying you aren’t getting the same experience we got back then.
Shadowlands fell into the bucket of “best played later” that Blizz seemed to be drinking from for a few years.
Want to do that one thing? Come back next week and make slightly more progress toward it.
Want to change your conduits and junk? Come back tomorrow or next week and try to make good choices again.
Want to change covenants? Lol
There was a bunch of “bad” things during that expansion as with some others, that later in the xpac they loosened the reigns on and it was indeed “best played later”. Trying to do anything that was fresh during a patch just felt like drip feeding. Now that you can flow through the zones, stories, activities and all at a better pace and more freely it does feel better than it did at the time.
I think it was Preach that tossed the phrase “best played later” out and it really applied to a lot of their philosophy back then. It’s gotten better over the years though
